it was actually my post he quoted. but yeah, etiquette.

Thank you! Good to know.

Have they brought back glassware? I saw this photo on the delta website:

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...001034c5a.jpeg

Yes, it's discussed upthread. It was part of PS service refresh announced back in Jan 2024 and rolled out last March (which included meal pre-selection).

https://news.delta.com/tip-top-marga...-deltas-latest

Thanks for pointing me there.

The food is actually quite good. My issue with PS is the seat.

what’s wrong with the seat?

Sit in AF's legacy Premium Economy seat and you will want a set of DL's PS seats in your living room.
The seat is actually my favorite part of PS on DL. Comfortable 2-across opportunity on a long flight where I don't have to sleep soundly for many hours. That works for my wife and I on most of our long haul trips.

I still yearn for the launch of PS in 2017 when the meals were identical to the D1 food, just served on a single tray, and all domestic connections from Asia were confirmed in F, not C+.

My biggest gripe is that PS only confirms into C+ on domestic segments. This can be an issue when booking routes that only have PS as the highest cabin (BOG, KEF, etc) and you are connecting to/from a domestic segment and want to sit up front the whole way. I wish there could be a fare differential path where one chooses PS and then has the choice of which cabin for the domestic segments - but I feel that might be more than what DL IT could handle currently.

However since DL seems to want to be "unbundling" premium classes- this could be an area that they could actually make that logic work and offer folks the ability to choose.

Lastly, it annoys me that PS seats are red on the seat map as well as domestic F.... but aren't considered the equivalent since domestic books into C+.

In my opinion, they're too close together side by side. The seat cushion itself may have a similar width and the legroom might have a similar pitch to domestic first, but the armrest separating the seat from the seat next to it is much narrower, making me feel like there's less space, and that I'm still rubbing shoulders with the person next to me. The wider the plane, the narrower the space.

One of our fellow posters pointed out that the seat modules in PS resemble those in F on the A220s, where you get a decently wide seat but not much in terms of the armrest between you and your neighbor.

The only issue I have with the seat are the three toggle levers that position your seat. Sometimes they work; sometimes they don't.

They are the same seat model, but the seats are probably tailored for each particular aircraft dimensionally. The big 3 carriers might actually use the same seat model for PE/DPS.

But let me explain why the wider the plane, the narrower the space. Seat width is measured by the seat cushion, and pitch measures the same two points on the row in front and the row you're measuring. But, there's no published side to side measurement for how far apart the seats are. Ever notice how the center armrest in narrowbody F fits a beverage glass or two, while in PE/DPS it doesn't?

Let's use the A220 for an example. There are 5 seats across in economy, 18.6" wide. Let's assume that the aisle is the same width in PE/F as in economy (it's not, but this is just a loose calculation). In F, there are 4 seat across. So, if you take away one seat from economy, and divide that seat's space amongsts the other 4 seats, that means each F seat is potentially 18.6" + 4.65" wide = 23.25" The official seat width is 20.5", so I would assume that the center armrest is slightly less than 5.5" wide (2.75" x2) (the aisle armrest is a little thicker too)

Ok, now lets move up to the smallest aircraft that has PE. The 767. There are 7 seats across in economy, 18" wide (published). In PE, there are 6 seats across. So, if we take away one economy seat and divide it's width amongst the remaining seats, we get 21 (18+3). The published width is 19", so the armrest width is slightly less than 4" wide between seats.

What about the A330? 8 seats across in economy. 18" wide (published). In PE there are 7 seats across, 18.5" wide (published). So, if we take away one economy seat and divide it's width amongst the remaining seats, we get 20.57" (18+2.57). Even narrower still

See the pattern here? The more seats across in the economy row (9 on the A350s, 10 on the 777s for the other two carriers), the less side to side space there will be in the PE cabin, because across all aircraft types, PE is only one less seat per row than economy. The economy seats are all (roughly) the same size, so with the space from the removed seat divided amongst more seats, there's less to be given to each remaining seat in PE, so the PE seats have to be closer together side-to-side.

Sure, you get more legroom, but it still feels like I have a lot less space compared to domestic F.

This. Was recently booked on an AF 777 LAX-CDG still with the old PE torture chamber seats and was dreading it. When I got notice of a major delay, I jumped at the opportunity to switch it to a DL LAX-JFK-CDG itinerary so I could have a decent seat. Both segments were on 767's with 2-2-2 configurations and chose a middle row seat - nobody to crawl over and nobody crawls over me.

Flew yesterday on ATL - LHR on the A339. Was originally supposed to be in 20B through JFK, IRROPs put me into 20A through ATL instead. Have to give credit where due -- I would take 20A specifically again in a heartbeat. I am not a window person but there was more than enough room to get up when needed (always my biggest concern if not in the aisle) and the memory foam pillow plus the side of the plan made for a really "comfortable" sleeping environment. No one will confuse this with business class but as someone who rarely sleep sitting up, I got a solid amount of sleep in 20A.

In terms of food and service, no option for pre-select since this was IRROPs but as soon as I sat down, the FA was proactive to check on my food preference, the ravioli was tasty, she then was quick to check on me once I woke up to see if I wanted breakfast (declined) and coffee / tea / etc. The screen can now be operated by the remote (some early reports with the A339 claim otherwise) and I also had no problem plugging my AirPods Max cord into the front "prong" even though it's a dual prong headphone deal.

Overall quite impressed, flying on the A339 to get home (non-bulkhead) but on VS so will be intrigued to see how it measures up

We're flying PS LAX-HND next weekend, and not exactly looking forward to it per se, it's probably similar to what we've experienced with JAL on the same route, although the JAL seat had a very firm, uncomfortable seat bottom cushion.

I don't see any option to pre-order a meal - is that not available on the mobile app?

We are in the last row, as no option for two seats in the bulkhead. We've been doing PY west coast>>Japan for awhile now as long as it's a morning departure daytime flight since we've already slept, we just need lunch, some decent movies to watch, and maybe a short 2-3hr nap. If we can do 5:40 in regular coach LAX-KOA, we can do 10:40 in PY LAX-TYO.

We probably paid more than we should have, but it was still much less than ANA or JAL were charging, and even United with a remarkably horrific PY seat, wanted more for this route.