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Originally Posted by bocastephen
(Post 37465970)
We're flying PS LAX-HND next weekend, and not exactly looking forward to it per se, it's probably similar to what we've experienced with JAL on the same route, although the JAL seat had a very firm, uncomfortable seat bottom cushion.
I don't see any option to pre-order a meal - is that not available on the mobile app? We are in the last row, as no option for two seats in the bulkhead. We've been doing PY west coast>>Japan for awhile now as long as it's a morning departure daytime flight since we've already slept, we just need lunch, some decent movies to watch, and maybe a short 2-3hr nap. If we can do 5:40 in regular coach LAX-KOA, we can do 10:40 in PY LAX-TYO. We probably paid more than we should have, but it was still much less than ANA or JAL were charging, and even United with a remarkably horrific PY seat, wanted more for this route. |
Originally Posted by bocastephen
(Post 37465970)
We're flying PS LAX-HND next weekend, and not exactly looking forward to it per se, it's probably similar to what we've experienced with JAL on the same route, although the JAL seat had a very firm, uncomfortable seat bottom cushion.
I don't see any option to pre-order a meal - is that not available on the mobile app? We are in the last row, as no option for two seats in the bulkhead. We've been doing PY west coast>>Japan for awhile now as long as it's a morning departure daytime flight since we've already slept, we just need lunch, some decent movies to watch, and maybe a short 2-3hr nap. If we can do 5:40 in regular coach LAX-KOA, we can do 10:40 in PY LAX-TYO. We probably paid more than we should have, but it was still much less than ANA or JAL were charging, and even United with a remarkably horrific PY seat, wanted more for this route. for probably the last year. We have bulkhead options available on the A359 but elected for 23H/J instead as videos I’ve seen make the bulkhead seats seem narrow with the way the tray table and TV monitors stow. Also the legroom didn’t look all that great either, so staying away from the bulkhead for now unless there’s better datapoints otherwise. You should be able to preselect meals 7 days out. Lastly, does PS have access to the lav just in front of the bulkhead? Or is that reserved for D1? Can’t quite tell by the pics I’ve seen. Enjoy your trip! |
Originally Posted by GagaPilot
(Post 37466163)
Would appreciate a review of PS after your trip if you don’t mind.
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I cannot speak to the 35H but on the 359 I found the bulkhead legroom to be effectively infinite (certainly enough for the window passenger to step out into the aisle without disturbing his neighbor). The armrests in all of PS leave a bit of buffer between the seats (you can lift up the armrest in fact and store some stuff under it), and as far as I remember the monitor stowage was no wider than this built-in space. Alas I have no recollection of the lav situation.
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Originally Posted by GagaPilot
(Post 37466163)
Would appreciate a review of PS after your trip if you don’t mind. Have a trip in early 2026 SEA-ICN currently in PS outbound (though waitlisted for D1 - our return GUC already cleared to D1). I haven’t been in PS since late 2019 on a 777 pre-Covid so my memory of it is fuzzy and a recent review would be great. We’ve been spoiled by D1 our last few trips but couldn’t stomach the fare this time and might as well get value out of GUCs while we have them
for probably the last year. We have bulkhead options available on the A359 but elected for 23H/J instead as videos I’ve seen make the bulkhead seats seem narrow with the way the tray table and TV monitors stow. Also the legroom didn’t look all that great either, so staying away from the bulkhead for now unless there’s better datapoints otherwise. You should be able to preselect meals 7 days out. Lastly, does PS have access to the lav just in front of the bulkhead? Or is that reserved for D1? Can’t quite tell by the pics I’ve seen. Enjoy your trip! |
Originally Posted by GagaPilot
(Post 37466163)
Would appreciate a review of PS after your trip if you don’t mind. Have a trip in early 2026 SEA-ICN currently in PS outbound (though waitlisted for D1 - our return GUC already cleared to D1). I haven’t been in PS since late 2019 on a 777 pre-Covid so my memory of it is fuzzy and a recent review would be great. We’ve been spoiled by D1 our last few trips but couldn’t stomach the fare this time and might as well get value out of GUCs while we have them
for probably the last year. We have bulkhead options available on the A359 but elected for 23H/J instead as videos I’ve seen make the bulkhead seats seem narrow with the way the tray table and TV monitors stow. Also the legroom didn’t look all that great either, so staying away from the bulkhead for now unless there’s better datapoints otherwise. You should be able to preselect meals 7 days out. Lastly, does PS have access to the lav just in front of the bulkhead? Or is that reserved for D1? Can’t quite tell by the pics I’ve seen. Enjoy your trip! Food is available to pre-select, however about half the PS cabin did not get their pre-select option and only had a choice between chicken and lasagna. The lasagna was absolute garbage, and the chicken was mediocre, pretty poor for PS (at least versus my last experience). Pre-arrival they ran out of 1 of the 3 choices about 1/3 through the cabin. I ended up choosing the Frittata, which was fine, and the other option was chicken korma. On the older config the lav is in-front of the bulkhead and PS has access, on the newer config PS has to go back to the Y lavs behind row 36. They have talked a lot about improving the PS product, I thought it was worse than it was when I took it in 2022. |
Originally Posted by mills1090
(Post 37472437)
Food is available to pre-select, however about half the PS cabin did not get their pre-select option and only had a choice between chicken and lasagna. The lasagna was absolute garbage, and the chicken was mediocre, pretty poor for PS (at least versus my last experience).
They have talked a lot about improving the PS product, I thought it was worse than it was when I took it in 2022. So you can sleep well knowing that Delta One was "enjoying" the same lasagna. =) |
What's the snack situation like on long haul PS - is there an inflight self-serve snack basket restricted to PS only, or a communal cookie-type basket at the back of economy and you need to walk all the way back there assuming anything is left?
Are there any on-request hot or specialty snacks you can request mid-flight like a sandwich? |
Just off DL007 yesterday so here is my mini review of Premium Select
1. Seat - not a fan at all. 18.5” wide? I can save 50%, buy a coach seat on JAL and get almost 19” of space. Way too narrow. Leg rest didn’t raise nearly enough and the foot rest is only really useable by someone 4’ tall 2. Service - I can’t speak for the other side of the cabin but our FA was amazing and needs to be cloned. Friendly, attentive, knowledgeable, and could tell the difference between a Chardonnay and Sauvignon Blanc, none of this “red or white, whadya want!” that’s typical on United 3. Food - not terrible, we ordered the steak and it was pretty tender. Dessert was meh. No hot snacks mid flight. I went to the back galley after using the restroom to get some SunChips and cookies and my FA was there and said he’ll bring out a much nicer basket of snacks shortly. He made two passes with the basket during the flight and extra beverages or snack items were available upon request pre landing meal was also pretty average but not bad All in all a decent experience, but the seat was not premium at all and just a copy of the regular coach seat one might experience on other airlines, but with a barely useable leg rest. |
Originally Posted by bocastephen
(Post 37484184)
Just off DL007 yesterday so here is my mini review of Premium Select
1. Seat - not a fan at all. 18.5” wide? I can save 50%, buy a coach seat on JAL and get almost 19” of space. Way too narrow. Leg rest didn’t raise nearly enough and the foot rest is only really useable by someone 4’ tall All in all a decent experience, but the seat was not premium at all and just a copy of the regular coach seat one might experience on other airlines, but with a barely useable leg rest. But JAL is obviously an extreme outlier in the market (with something like 15 787 with the 19" seats) and the seats are still nowhere near as wide in practice. The console in Premium Select (and other true W offerings) does not count towards the seat pitch, and the console keeps you away from your neighbor - that is usable width unless you are a person of size that is squeezed by the console itself - but if that's the case, the only seat with good width are the ones you'll find in J. The biggest difference is recline. JAL's 787s are 33" of pitch and while I don't know the exact recline, it is going to be far less than the 7-8" offered in Premium Select. 7-8" makes a huge difference in terms of actually being able to sleep. Again, I am not a fan of Delta's pricing strategy on PS, but trying to compare it to a true Y seat - even the exception JAL 787 seat - is just not a fair comparison. |
Originally Posted by ethernal
(Post 37485201)
I am the last to say that Premium Select as generally priced by Delta on new tickets (sometimes upgrade offers can be good) is a good value.
But JAL is obviously an extreme outlier in the market (with something like 15 787 with the 19" seats) and the seats are still nowhere near as wide in practice. The console in Premium Select (and other true W offerings) does not count towards the seat pitch, and the console keeps you away from your neighbor - that is usable width unless you are a person of size that is squeezed by the console itself - but if that's the case, the only seat with good width are the ones you'll find in J. The biggest difference is recline. JAL's 787s are 33" of pitch and while I don't know the exact recline, it is going to be far less than the 7-8" offered in Premium Select. 7-8" makes a huge difference in terms of actually being able to sleep. Again, I am not a fan of Delta's pricing strategy on PS, but trying to compare it to a true Y seat - even the exception JAL 787 seat - is just not a fair comparison. So if PS is $1,200 one way to Tokyo and JAL coach is $450, we’re not going to buy PS given my JAL status grants us access to the best Y seat options. But if JAL is $900, then we would probably consider PS. If American or United were $300, then we might buy 3 seats with status access to extra legroom and do poor-man’s business. |
Originally Posted by bocastephen
(Post 37485750)
I’m just looking at the value proposition for myself. We only do daytime flights going to Japan so there is no need to sleep aside from a brief nap along the way. So we’re looking for the right balance of low cost and comfort going to Japan, then we buy business coming back since it’s often much cheaper originating from Asia.
So if PS is $1,200 one way to Tokyo and JAL coach is $450, we’re not going to buy PS given my JAL status grants us access to the best Y seat options. But if JAL is $900, then we would probably consider PS. If American or United were $300, then we might buy 3 seats with status access to extra legroom and do poor-man’s business. My point is that this is both a very rare comparison vs. the vast, vast majority of international seats configured 9-abreast 787/10-abreast 777 and also not considering the added functional space of the console or increased pitch/recline (which is also far greater than JAL, albeit some "disappears" if the seat in front of you reclines). |
I agree with ethernal . Take something more typical. US to Europe. ATL-MUC July 3-11.
DL Basic $1400 Main: $1660 PS with a stop: $3600 D1: $6150 Cheapest is SAS at $1040 with loong layover. Cheapest PE is SAS at $2044 with loooong layover Cheapest Business is $3521 on B6/Condor with a couple stops or $3700 on SAS again. In a rational world, we would decide what fits our time and budget. I’d probably take SAS in business with the layover. I have a hard time swallowing DL’s prices here. In fact, substitute “SAS” with any other airline and I’d switch to avoid these prices. My point being, we all make choices and hopefully enough are “rational consumers” to keep any of the airlines honest about their product and pricing. But I also think it’s a bit silly for folks to complain about the prices… clearly DL is able to charge them. |
Originally Posted by bocastephen
(Post 37484184)
1. Seat - not a fan at all. 18.5” wide? I can save 50%, buy a coach seat on JAL and get almost 19” of space.
For some reason, Delta and ultimately most carriers went 2-4-2 on the A350 and the PE configs on almost every other aircraft are much wider. |
Originally Posted by mills1090
(Post 37472437)
They have talked a lot about improving the PS product, I thought it was worse than it was when I took it in 2022. |
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