Delta Air Lines Plans to Reduce Seat Recline in Bet to Make Flyers Happy
#166
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I'm honestly surprised with the number of people claiming 'bad backs' saying that full recline is the only way they're comfortable. My experience has been the total opposite because full recline leads to a more slouched position and overall bad posture. This might relieve the pressure for a bit, but I will certainly feel it for days afterwards. I usually only recline partway because this seems to strike the best balance between good posture and comfort, so I'm all for 2" limits in Y.
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This is correct. On the flip side to this, I have stenosis (only fairly recently diagnosed but neurosurgeon says I have had it for years and years) in C5-8. Yes, if I want to the most comfort in the rest of my life, I stay on the couch at home inclined slightly from horizontal. Further complicating is that I have some lower back issues too but don't have a definitive diagnosis on those.
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But.... the airline *has* decided - they decided that the seats not only *should* recline, for the most part, but the level of recline should fall solely within the control of the person actually sitting in the seat. They could have easily (though not logically) put the recline button on the back of the seat so that the person behind could control it, but they *didn't* do so. Same with the window shade. The airlines have had 50+ years to fine tune a policy giving equal control of the shade to all member of a row (or even a cabin). But no airline that I have ever heard of has even gone so far as implementing a "majority rules" policy - so that if you are the lone open shade in an area, then you are required to fall in with the herd regardless of your desires. No airline that I know of has ever completely eliminated windows either - a move which would save an enormous amount of weight on every plane, saving them a gazillion bucks on fuel every year. I wonder why?
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I think you are ahead of yourself. I don't use a laptop on flights. I never intimated that what you have said is irrelevant. My post was basically an observation on the general aspects of what was being said on this thread. The issue remains, to me, how others are willing to look at the world from other than their own point of view.
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[QOTE=3Cforme;31001971]I don't believe that seat design is common across the AA narrowbody fleet.[/QUOTE]
Let me narrow it down to F cabin on 737 AA aircraft. Perhaps I should have done that. That's where I do most of my travel on AA. I only fly F cabin on AA and DL.
On AA F cabin, the recliner gives up his/her space in front of him/her. The recline does not go straight back into the space of the person behind. IMHO, that's how it should be.
I guess the only thing I can do is to appeal to the opinion of the subset of flyers who fly both DL and AA on 737 in F. There are sure to be a lot of them out there, and their opinion would be worth it to being heard.
Thanks
Let me narrow it down to F cabin on 737 AA aircraft. Perhaps I should have done that. That's where I do most of my travel on AA. I only fly F cabin on AA and DL.
On AA F cabin, the recliner gives up his/her space in front of him/her. The recline does not go straight back into the space of the person behind. IMHO, that's how it should be.
I guess the only thing I can do is to appeal to the opinion of the subset of flyers who fly both DL and AA on 737 in F. There are sure to be a lot of them out there, and their opinion would be worth it to being heard.
Thanks
#172
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Let me narrow it down to F cabin on 737 AA aircraft. Perhaps I should have done that. That's where I do most of my travel on AA. I only fly F cabin on AA and DL.
On AA F cabin, the recliner gives up his/her space in front of him/her. The recline does not go straight back into the space of the person behind. IMHO, that's how it should be.
I guess the only thing I can do is to appeal to the opinion of the subset of flyers who fly both DL and AA on 737 in F. There are sure to be a lot of them out there, and their opinion would be worth it to being heard.
Thanks
On AA F cabin, the recliner gives up his/her space in front of him/her. The recline does not go straight back into the space of the person behind. IMHO, that's how it should be.
I guess the only thing I can do is to appeal to the opinion of the subset of flyers who fly both DL and AA on 737 in F. There are sure to be a lot of them out there, and their opinion would be worth it to being heard.
Thanks
There is no panacea for this issue. Some believe that if the airline didn't want their seat to recline, they wouldn't have put a button on the armrest which allows the seat to recline. Others fall in to the NoRAAA mindset:
No
Recline for
Anyone
Anywhere
Anytime
Like almost every other subject on FT, no one is going to change anyone's mind.
#173
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But.... the airline *has* decided - they decided that the seats not only *should* recline, for the most part, but the level of recline should fall solely within the control of the person actually sitting in the seat. They could have easily (though not logically) put the recline button on the back of the seat so that the person behind could control it, but they *didn't* do so. Same with the window shade. The airlines have had 50+ years to fine tune a policy giving equal control of the shade to all member of a row (or even a cabin). But no airline that I have ever heard of has even gone so far as implementing a "majority rules" policy - so that if you are the lone open shade in an area, then you are required to fall in with the herd regardless of your desires. No airline that I know of has ever completely eliminated windows either - a move which would save an enormous amount of weight on every plane, saving them a gazillion bucks on fuel every year. I wonder why?
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You've got the sequence wrong. AA - with its MAX 8 rollout (11/17) and now its Project Oasis 738 reconfiguration featured reduced recline in F and Y.
Oasis: New seats & less pitch, WiFi IFE & power all 737 and A321 2019-21
Oasis: New seats & less pitch, WiFi IFE & power all 737 and A321 2019-21
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I prefer to have the recline as is. I accept that the person in front of me may recline and I presume the person behind me knows I may recline. I think the recline in F is just sufficient.
I use my 16” Dell laptop in e+ and f routinely and get a lot of work done. I haven’t had issues with people in front of me interfering. In regular economy, I can’t use my computer regardless of recline because the space is just too tight.
I’m a 5’11”dude and my knees touch the seat in front when in regular economy. It doesn’t seem to be significantly worse when the person in front of me is reclined. I have a history of back issues and the reclined position is much more comfortable to me... 60-90 minutes is about my personal limit to sit upright without walking around or reclining.
I use my 16” Dell laptop in e+ and f routinely and get a lot of work done. I haven’t had issues with people in front of me interfering. In regular economy, I can’t use my computer regardless of recline because the space is just too tight.
I’m a 5’11”dude and my knees touch the seat in front when in regular economy. It doesn’t seem to be significantly worse when the person in front of me is reclined. I have a history of back issues and the reclined position is much more comfortable to me... 60-90 minutes is about my personal limit to sit upright without walking around or reclining.
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What happened to articulating recline seats which, when you recline, move your seat pan forward so you reduce your own knee room? I know I've had one of those recently on either an AA or UA flight.
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Support this in main cabin, but not in C+ and certainly not in F. Delta needs to increase pitch in the domestic F fleet--this is one spot where DL falls behind other domestic carriers. First Class pax should be able to recline enough to take a nap or be reasonably comfortable on a red-eye.