Delta: “All international widebodies” to have Premium Select by 2021
Jul 13, 2018, 11:35 am
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The 777 seat map has been released for some time. It is a 2-4-2 configuration and will be comparable to the A350 experience.
It's true that A350 PS width of 18.5"-19" is 1.5"-2" less width than domestic F, but I'm not sure if that is as "significant" as you claim (though I would certainly prefer 21").
Also remember that the A350 and other wide-body PS seats coming online will have a leg-rest which domestic F does not. In all other ways they are basically the same product.
Jul 13, 2018, 11:37 am
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How are they superior to the Domestic 763s? The seat proportions are nearly identical (indeed the 767 technically have more space per seat than the PS in A350s). Is it just a general seat comfort thing? I have not flown in a Delta Domestic 763 configuration so all I can speak to are the effective seat dimensions. Indeed, the PS config (other than being a "new" seat) will be the same 6 across you see in the domestic configured F today and would probably be the best PS seat in the fleet width-wise if they adjust the seat size to take advantage of the extra space.
Jul 13, 2018, 3:24 pm
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I would not be surprised if this happens, I also wouldn't be surprised if PS becomes eligible for free complimentary (non existent) upgrades. Because with the cabin "upgrade" the J space will be drastically reduced, so GU certificates will be almost useless. In return they might give us an "enhancement" by letting us get complimentary upgrades to PS.
Jul 13, 2018, 4:59 pm
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I would not be surprised if this happens, I also wouldn't be surprised if PS becomes eligible for free complimentary (non existent) upgrades. Because with the cabin "upgrade" the J space will be drastically reduced, so GU certificates will be almost useless. In return they might give us an "enhancement" by letting us get complimentary upgrades to PS.
Jul 13, 2018, 6:42 pm
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They would be foolish not to keep C+ on the 763/764.
At least IMO, it comes down to this. Corporate travel is limited to Y. On a TATL, all I want is legroom, it's a short flight, I don't need anything fancy (especially on DL where they are going to give me a full open bar and a couple of solid meals in both directions). I'm willing to pay for that legroom (as C+) or pay for it through being loyal to DL to reach Gold (and Platinum when this flight lands) to get C+ ahead of time -- to me $100-200 is fair. Introduce PS at say $300 - 500, there's no chance I'm going to bite on that for the short TATL and I'm going to just suck it up and deal with a regular Y seat instead.
On the flip side, TPAC is a completely different story. PS at $300 - 500 is an attractive value prop (a little less so with the domestic downgrade) and taking out C+ is likely to push me up to PS instead of being stuck in Y for the long haul (and in some cases my companies travel policy will allow the PS if it's refundable and within $200 and the Y fare is non-refundable).
So for me it comes down to the 763/764 often do 7-9 hour flights where C+ should definitely stick where the A330/A359/777 it makes sense to stick with PS only given the 10-16 hour missions they are sent on.
At least IMO, it comes down to this. Corporate travel is limited to Y. On a TATL, all I want is legroom, it's a short flight, I don't need anything fancy (especially on DL where they are going to give me a full open bar and a couple of solid meals in both directions). I'm willing to pay for that legroom (as C+) or pay for it through being loyal to DL to reach Gold (and Platinum when this flight lands) to get C+ ahead of time -- to me $100-200 is fair. Introduce PS at say $300 - 500, there's no chance I'm going to bite on that for the short TATL and I'm going to just suck it up and deal with a regular Y seat instead.
On the flip side, TPAC is a completely different story. PS at $300 - 500 is an attractive value prop (a little less so with the domestic downgrade) and taking out C+ is likely to push me up to PS instead of being stuck in Y for the long haul (and in some cases my companies travel policy will allow the PS if it's refundable and within $200 and the Y fare is non-refundable).
So for me it comes down to the 763/764 often do 7-9 hour flights where C+ should definitely stick where the A330/A359/777 it makes sense to stick with PS only given the 10-16 hour missions they are sent on.
Jul 13, 2018, 6:51 pm
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the result will be GUC from Y will take you to PS
GUC from PS will take you to J
ditto for RUC on SFO/LAX-JFK. zero chance that RUC will all the sudden become "GUC light" for international travel.
in other words get ready to shell out $3K+ plus a GUC for J
i buy a lot of expensive coach tickets, so this isn't the "worst" outcome for me if true, except that i don't fly enough miles to earn GUCs
will have to see how this plays out, will be rather ironic if it drives me back to *A for INTL travel
GUC from PS will take you to J
ditto for RUC on SFO/LAX-JFK. zero chance that RUC will all the sudden become "GUC light" for international travel.
in other words get ready to shell out $3K+ plus a GUC for J
i buy a lot of expensive coach tickets, so this isn't the "worst" outcome for me if true, except that i don't fly enough miles to earn GUCs
will have to see how this plays out, will be rather ironic if it drives me back to *A for INTL travel
Jul 13, 2018, 8:43 pm
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the result will be GUC from Y will take you to PS
GUC from PS will take you to J
ditto for RUC on SFO/LAX-JFK. zero chance that RUC will all the sudden become "GUC light" for international travel.
in other words get ready to shell out $3K+ plus a GUC for J
i buy a lot of expensive coach tickets, so this isn't the "worst" outcome for me if true, except that i don't fly enough miles to earn GUCs
will have to see how this plays out, will be rather ironic if it drives me back to *A for INTL travel
GUC from PS will take you to J
ditto for RUC on SFO/LAX-JFK. zero chance that RUC will all the sudden become "GUC light" for international travel.
in other words get ready to shell out $3K+ plus a GUC for J
i buy a lot of expensive coach tickets, so this isn't the "worst" outcome for me if true, except that i don't fly enough miles to earn GUCs
will have to see how this plays out, will be rather ironic if it drives me back to *A for INTL travel
I don't think this will happen. GUC's are already limited to DM's. If anything they will continue to make DM harder to earn, like the already did with the Amex spend minimum.
Jul 13, 2018, 10:35 pm
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the result will be GUC from Y will take you to PS
GUC from PS will take you to J
ditto for RUC on SFO/LAX-JFK. zero chance that RUC will all the sudden become "GUC light" for international travel.
in other words get ready to shell out $3K+ plus a GUC for J
i buy a lot of expensive coach tickets, so this isn't the "worst" outcome for me if true, except that i don't fly enough miles to earn GUCs
will have to see how this plays out, will be rather ironic if it drives me back to *A for INTL travel
GUC from PS will take you to J
ditto for RUC on SFO/LAX-JFK. zero chance that RUC will all the sudden become "GUC light" for international travel.
in other words get ready to shell out $3K+ plus a GUC for J
i buy a lot of expensive coach tickets, so this isn't the "worst" outcome for me if true, except that i don't fly enough miles to earn GUCs
will have to see how this plays out, will be rather ironic if it drives me back to *A for INTL travel
Jul 13, 2018, 11:58 pm
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The PS in the 757 cabin is only because those are domestic planes - obviously not relevant to the discussion here since it relates to international widebodies.
The 777 seat map has been released for some time. It is a 2-4-2 configuration and will be comparable to the A350 experience.
The A350 width versus domestic first width is misleading because F seats have significantly more armrest width - you will never "bump elbows" with someone in F but will do so frequently in PS. PS is really roughly 4 inches less wide than Domestic F - not a trivial difference.
Leg rests are worthless for people above a certain height - presumably one of the key audiences for Premium Select (especially with the removal of C+).
The 777 seat map has been released for some time. It is a 2-4-2 configuration and will be comparable to the A350 experience.
The A350 width versus domestic first width is misleading because F seats have significantly more armrest width - you will never "bump elbows" with someone in F but will do so frequently in PS. PS is really roughly 4 inches less wide than Domestic F - not a trivial difference.
Leg rests are worthless for people above a certain height - presumably one of the key audiences for Premium Select (especially with the removal of C+).
I mean, you can make all the points you want to about details. It's still, with a few exceptions, essentially the same product as domestic F.
Jul 27, 2018, 1:22 pm
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A little tidbit buried in the recent WSJ article on airline seats:
This seems to imply that Delta will be rolling out an extra legroom section (Comfort+?) on it's 777s, unless they're referring to the addition of Premium Select. I'm a little confused as to why Delta wouldn't just add the Comfort+ in right away as part of the 777 refurb if they're planning to add it down the road anyway.
Mr. Bastian’s particular seat had 1 more inch of legroom than Mr. Parker’s, too. Delta’s 777-200s have some rows temporarily set at 32 inches of seat pitch instead of the airline’s standard 31 inches. That inch will disappear when more extra-legroom coach seating arrives, leaving standard coach all at 31 inches.
Jul 27, 2018, 4:23 pm
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A little tidbit buried in the recent WSJ article on airline seats:
This seems to imply that Delta will be rolling out an extra legroom section (Comfort+?) on it's 777s, unless they're referring to the addition of Premium Select. I'm a little confused as to why Delta wouldn't just add the Comfort+ in right away as part of the 777 refurb if they're planning to add it down the road anyway.
This seems to imply that Delta will be rolling out an extra legroom section (Comfort+?) on it's 777s, unless they're referring to the addition of Premium Select. I'm a little confused as to why Delta wouldn't just add the Comfort+ in right away as part of the 777 refurb if they're planning to add it down the road anyway.