Delta: “All international widebodies” to have Premium Select by 2021
Jul 12, 2018, 11:00 am
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Jul 12, 2018, 11:03 am
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Sounds like a good time to let voices be heard to DL. Personally I'd hope they keep a few rows of C+ (know that there's no way they do) since it's a big benefit removal for loyal travelers. If not, some sort of auto-upgrade with RUCs or at least bringing Y up to KE's pitch would be needed.
Jul 12, 2018, 2:09 pm
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If I were king, I’d reconfigure the A350 to keep PE, but in a smaller 2-3-2 configuration with fewer rows at a higher price. I’d then use the space regained to reintroduce a few rows of Comfort+.
Higher revenue premium for PE, more ability to justify premium inflight service items like glassware, and a supply of decent coach seats for those unwilling or unable by company policy to buy up into a different cabin.
I’m of mixed minds on the expansion of PE to the A330. Row 10/11ABHJ will be sorely missed.
Higher revenue premium for PE, more ability to justify premium inflight service items like glassware, and a supply of decent coach seats for those unwilling or unable by company policy to buy up into a different cabin.
I’m of mixed minds on the expansion of PE to the A330. Row 10/11ABHJ will be sorely missed.
Jul 12, 2018, 2:27 pm
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There's an article on Skift which includes the following comments from Bastian, following a mention of Delta One and Premium Select:
It sounds like there may be a plan to push mileage upgrade awards. He specifically refers to "frequent flyers" so if they go that route, I hope there's a mileage discount for elites.
“And as we continue to roll out different ways to buy those products, we will see I think another exposure in demand as other customers will use their miles to sit in the cabin they want,” he added. “The ability of our frequent flyers to choose where they want to sit after they buy the ticket is really going to be something that’s going to generate a lot of great products and services for customers as well as revenue for the airline.”
Jul 12, 2018, 2:35 pm
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Jul 12, 2018, 2:45 pm
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Of course, if the product is priced to high that is an issue. I can buy TPAC C AI RT for around $3K. DL's PE has to come in substantially cheaper.
Jul 12, 2018, 3:20 pm
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ETA - I see CX and VN are 2-4-2 while China Airlines is 2-3-2. Seems skewed toward 2-4-2.
I think the A350 width sits between the A330 (2-3-2 traditionally) and 777. (2-4-2 traditionally).
But practically speaking is the seat really any narrower? Or did they just take aisle space? Seatguru measurements don't even really seem to tie to the number of seats across (e.g., 20" for CX at 8-abreast vs. 18" for LH at 7-abreast).
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Jul 12, 2018, 3:20 pm
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Assuming they do get rid of C+ (which is a safe assumption), this is a huge blow for me. It honestly takes away most of the value that I got from Delta - getting C+ on long-haul flights for leisure travel (as I rarely get it on domestic flights).
This essentially eliminates Delta as an international long haul carrier for me. My 4 hours on a domestic flight in Y- is enough - I can't do 8+ hours in Y- without losing my mind. If I am gong to have to pay for Premium Economy, I can find much cheaper and higher quality options than Delta (at least flying out of Atlanta given the Delta premium there)
This essentially eliminates Delta as an international long haul carrier for me. My 4 hours on a domestic flight in Y- is enough - I can't do 8+ hours in Y- without losing my mind. If I am gong to have to pay for Premium Economy, I can find much cheaper and higher quality options than Delta (at least flying out of Atlanta given the Delta premium there)
Jul 12, 2018, 3:55 pm
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Jul 12, 2018, 3:56 pm
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Bummer. They could really personalize everyone's preferred experience if C+ is offered. There are some people who are willing to pay for more legroom, but not pay for PS.
However, if they do offer PS on all their international routes, it would make me want to actually use DL more because it's the minimum product I would consider for international flights.
However, if they do offer PS on all their international routes, it would make me want to actually use DL more because it's the minimum product I would consider for international flights.
Jul 12, 2018, 4:31 pm
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Years ago I predicted that we were just inflating the experiences. D1 is now "First" (aisle access, lay flat), PS is "Business" (more space but not lay flat) and Economy is economy but with less legroom.
Jul 12, 2018, 4:34 pm
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Not super relevant to the thread but Delta has had BE on tons of its international routes for a while. It is route specific but the buy-up premium to MC can be quite significant (usually $100+ - I have seen it as much as $160).