Delta to add Seattle-Osaka, Drops SEA-HKG
Nov 15, 2018, 9:56 pm
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I actually woudld consider CX because it's a true Asia gateway - hourly flights to Taipei, Tokyo, and frequent flights to Shanghai, Beijing and Seoul... I agree CX would do better because of the HKG hub. UA is going to win over a lot of business passengers in 2019. Half of my company is complaining about DL and talking about going over to UA. Flying A350 over B787 sure puts icing on the cake also for CX.
It is doubtful that CX will “do better” in absolute terms, but given all of their markets are really tough right now, they may be forced to tolerate weak returns longer than DL was willing to accept.
Nov 21, 2018, 6:46 pm
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Even leaving aside connection time, going to TYO or ICN via HKG is 60% longer. I doubt they will pull much traffic from the nonstop options without having to discount heavily.
It is doubtful that CX will “do better” in absolute terms, but given all of their markets are really tough right now, they may be forced to tolerate weak returns longer than DL was willing to accept.
I've flown with both and CX definitely has a better hard product than KE. CX and sister KA offer way more connection options than KE.
Nov 21, 2018, 10:12 pm
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HUH? NRT to BKK/SIN is over 6 hours, while HKG to NRT/ICN are certainly more than 1 to 2 hours.
Nov 22, 2018, 7:07 am
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No doubt that DL had a very well oiled machine at NRT, it was efficient hub for intra-Asia transfer, both geographically and operationally. If you look at the current connection flights in/out of ICN, they just dont line up well with DL flights, so you spent a lot of hours waiting at the airport. The better scheduled flights are operated by KE sister LCC Jin Air, but you get no perks and no mileage credit. CX, however, has very good scheduling for connection time, it just provide you enough time to connect but not enough to hang around and feel like you are wasting your life away. This better ran connection definitely offset the extra distance if you have to fly back up northwards. Truth is, most intra-Asia flights are like 1 to 2 hrs at most if you don't count the time zone difference.
I've flown with both and CX definitely has a better hard product than KE. CX and sister KA offer way more connection options than KE.
I've flown with both and CX definitely has a better hard product than KE. CX and sister KA offer way more connection options than KE.
Nov 24, 2018, 5:13 pm
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Delta just told this 2MM DM to F.O.. They are unable to get me to HK any earlier than 4+ hours after my originally booked arrival time. The first person I talked to said I could call back and do "anything I wanted" because it was Delta's fault for cancelling the route. I knew this wasn't true, but called anyway to try and change the destination to SIN. Yes, I knew it was a longshot. In the end, they just really ended up pissing me off.
Dec 19, 2018, 6:23 am
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How can Delta stop flying to HK and leave us in the hands of China Eastern or KAL?
I was shocked as a frequent traveler to HKG to see that Delta now forces me to use either Korean Air out of Inchon or China Eastern out of Shanghai to get to HKG. Has Delta given up on being a world leader in aviation? It would seem so. You can skip some airports in the world, but not HKG. That makes it hard even for us diamond DL flyers to pick seats on the the last leg going to HKG. I hope that they think about their future. Without an actual Delta flight to get me to HK I will have to plan on switching to American or United. I don't care about the food in the lounge, or the new uniforms, I want to arrive safely and pilots are simply better on American flagged airlines.
Dec 19, 2018, 6:30 am
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The humanity of having to select a seat on a different airline's website ... 
I'm quite certain that Delta's industry leadership will continue even with internet rants.
Also, please support your pilot accusation. China Eastern and Korean Air have the same safety rating as American Airlines, Emirates, and Air France (etc). IMHO, safe transport is the one and only priority for an airline pilot.
I'm quite certain that Delta's industry leadership will continue even with internet rants.
Also, please support your pilot accusation. China Eastern and Korean Air have the same safety rating as American Airlines, Emirates, and Air France (etc). IMHO, safe transport is the one and only priority for an airline pilot.
Dec 19, 2018, 6:34 am
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The humanity of having to select a seat on a different airline's website ...
I'm quite certain that Delta's industry leadership will continue even with internet rants.
Also, please support your pilot accusation. China Eastern and Korean Air have the same safety rating as American Airlines, Emirates, and Air France (etc). IMHO, safe transport is the one and only priority for an airline pilot.
I'm quite certain that Delta's industry leadership will continue even with internet rants.
Also, please support your pilot accusation. China Eastern and Korean Air have the same safety rating as American Airlines, Emirates, and Air France (etc). IMHO, safe transport is the one and only priority for an airline pilot.
Dec 19, 2018, 6:38 am
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I know China Eastern's service and food may questionable at times, but that does not make MU unfit for western passengers. My experiences with MU have been completely ordinary by western standards.
Edit: And in Delta's defense, their joint venture will be with Korean and not China Eastern. Delta isn't making anyone fly MU. In fact, their schedules are written with the expectation that people connect on Korean.
Dec 19, 2018, 6:46 am
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There were lost of posts five months ago when Delta announced end of service to Hong Kong, and that's where this thread will soon be appended.
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Dec 19, 2018, 7:00 am
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Otherwise Lufthansa, Air New Zealand, British Airways, QANTAS, Cathay Pacific, Japan Airlines, ANA and several others would probably beg to differ.
Dec 19, 2018, 7:35 am
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Dec 19, 2018, 7:40 am
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Pervasive Crew smoking on China Eastern true?
The smoking-on-MU sub-discussion should probably continue in that thread vs. here.
Dec 19, 2018, 8:05 am
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I think at worst what is being smelled is clothes and the odor that theuve taken on. I fly MU regularly and am asthmatic I've never smelled actual smoke. I've smelled the odor when someone who smokes a lot passes by.
Dec 19, 2018, 8:11 am
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I was shocked as a frequent traveler to HKG to see that Delta now forces me to use either Korean Air out of Inchon or China Eastern out of Shanghai to get to HKG. Has Delta given up on being a world leader in aviation? It would seem so. You can skip some airports in the world, but not HKG. That makes it hard even for us diamond DL flyers to pick seats on the the last leg going to HKG. I hope that they think about their future. Without an actual Delta flight to get me to HK I will have to plan on switching to American or United. I don't care about the food in the lounge, or the new uniforms, I want to arrive safely and pilots are simply better on American flagged airlines.