Qater/DL Atlanta A380 Premiere
Jun 2, 2016, 12:23 pm
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Jun 2, 2016, 12:33 pm
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Qatar getting total support from it's country and Delta getting only local state (Georgia) and ATL airport support.
As regards the Atlanta airport there may be all kinds of subsidies from both the Federal and state government.
Ask the Wizard of OZ to pull open the curtain to define apples and oranges
show the big picture.
On another note if Qatar had an emergency all competitive issues surely would have been waived to accommodate the safety of human life.
But to schedule a flight on short notice or any notice bumping Delta out of it's scheduled activity not in the cards.
But what do I know - I am just an 800 pound gorilla that knows how to bash overweight oversized ugly baggage as well as unexpected oversized air carriers.
What a fanfare welcoming for an ill scheduled arrival/departure without arranged proper clearance and suitable gate SPACE !
Does Southern Hospitality extend to the competitive ME3 ??? --- Me thinks NOT !
Jun 2, 2016, 12:42 pm
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/02/aviati...ort/index.html
Another day, another event that shows DL is just pouting.
Another day, another event that shows DL is just pouting.
If I apply for that gate/time slot and airport allots me I can park my Cessna at that gate. Doesn't matter if someone else brings a A380 without allotment.
QR very well knew this for months. If any one throwing Level 6 (Code-F) temper tantrum it is QR.
Lufthansa didn't get Code-F slot at Mumbai, airport gave it to Emirates. LH is waiting airport to build more Code-F gates at the time slot it want to operate. Until such time LH parks a very old B744 next to SQ A380 and EK A380.
Every airline is waiting ORD to build a Code F gate, so why not ME3 operate A380 there park it on deicing pad and throw temper tantrum.
It would be nice to listen to LiveATC, I am sure they must have acknowledged that they don't have a gate.
Jun 2, 2016, 12:47 pm
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It absolutely makes the concept different. Getting some sales tax breaks on Jet A isn't the same as QR's government buying them 100 brand new A380's/777's
Jun 2, 2016, 1:39 pm
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Jun 2, 2016, 1:40 pm
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From what I can tell, I blame QR mostly for this fiasco though. This was poor planning on their (and the ATL airport's) part. It's not DL's job to figure out QRs schedule and plan around it with gates. If DL requests to use gates and ATL grants it, while forgetting that QR will need that A380 capable gate for the A380 arrival, that's not on DL. It would not shock me if DL specifically requested that gate for that time, knowing it was the A380 gate, to do this, but blame still lies with QR for not requesting the gate in advance when they knew the A380 was coming in and with ATL Airport for not catching this either.
Jun 2, 2016, 2:00 pm
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If a foreign government wants to sink money into a business and subsidize it's costs isn't that their decision? Delta has no control over how it's competitors are spending (or receiving) their funding.
Edit: I understand it a little more now with the Open Skies agreement. So the problem is really that since the airlines are government owned, the government "agreed" to this open skies agreement and the fact that they might be subsidizing these new routes goes against that agreement. So if the airlines were owned by rich individuals who were sinking money into them and the same thing was going on, would DL have a problem with that?
Edit: I understand it a little more now with the Open Skies agreement. So the problem is really that since the airlines are government owned, the government "agreed" to this open skies agreement and the fact that they might be subsidizing these new routes goes against that agreement. So if the airlines were owned by rich individuals who were sinking money into them and the same thing was going on, would DL have a problem with that?
Nations have far more resources at their disposal not just monetarily but legally as well.
Jun 2, 2016, 2:57 pm
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1) Unlimited equity infusion
2) Non repayable loans from family members
3) Tax free regimes
4) 0% no repay schedule financing from banks and neighboring countries
5) Free airport slots
6) No airport charges (exclusion loophole for state owned aircraft)
7) Fuel hedging contract novations
8) Free dedicated terminals
9) Discounted fuel at home base
10) Discounted catering home base
11) Indentured cheap workforce
12) No accounting laws
13) CAA working for Airline
14) EXIM financing
15) Washington State subsidy for 777X
I can go on and they have an excuse for each one of those line item.
Chinese government subsidies for all SIX airlines totals less than $1 Billion/year.
Indian government equity infusion averages $200 Million/year
Every airline has one or two benefits they enjoy but ME3 are using every single benefit to their advantage.
$43 Billion for 3 airlines. Unprecedented.
Jun 2, 2016, 3:12 pm
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Jun 2, 2016, 3:14 pm
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As someone who works airplanes into/out of the Atlanta airport, we were briefed back in February that Qatar Airways was going to fly the A380 on its maiden flight and then a B777 on subsequent flights. Delta is being a spoiled child...
Jun 2, 2016, 3:16 pm
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Jun 2, 2016, 3:30 pm
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That still doesn't answer the question. There is a process for requesting gates, correct? Was that process followed?
Jun 2, 2016, 3:34 pm
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The A380 takes up gates E1 AND E3. In addition, if the A380 is there, gate E5 becomes a narrow-body only gate. And the QR flight operates during the peak international hours (heavy usage of Concourses E and F), and was going to sit there for 3 to 4 hours.
And people, it's not a tragedy to use buses to disembark an A380. Emirates does it frequently at DXB especially now that there's heavy construction at the airport.
And people, it's not a tragedy to use buses to disembark an A380. Emirates does it frequently at DXB especially now that there's heavy construction at the airport.
Jun 2, 2016, 3:35 pm
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If QR was on the ball, wouldn't it have been better for them to say something a week ago that DL was using the only gate at ATL for their plane?
Instead they take off and strand a bunch of their passengers because DL wouldn't move from a gate that they had reserved in the proper channels.
But no, it's DL's fault
