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Whew that’s a good question, I truly think this is a YMMV situation.
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Originally Posted by Tedgrrrr
(Post 33581088)
I assume this one is heavily agent dependent... but I know for a fact that if I use an RUC (and clear the whole way) that I can change to any first class flight on that day no problemo.
What happens if I clear LGA to ATL at booking using RUC, and am waitlisted for ATL to HNL - can I use my first segment being "true first class" by virtue of the RUC; to SDC onto any flight that has first class to HNL available? i.e. rather than rolling the dice on ATL to HNL on the day of travel with an RUC waitlist - could I SDC to LGA to SLC to HNL and get first class the whole way? IMO the interesting question, and it's mostly an academic one, is: if you have cleared only one leg is if it's treated as a broken fare. In which case you could SDC LGA-ATL to any other LGA-ATL or LGA-XXX-ATL in F, but would still have to SDC the ATL-HNL flight in coach and following the coach SDC rules. But If I had to guess, especially given DL IT, there is zero chance it handles this situation automatically in any shape or form, so you have to get an agent to process it manually, in which case again zero chance IMO of getting F the whole way unless you are a *really* good sweet talker :p You *might* get them to give you F on LGA-SLC and coach SLC-HNL. |
Originally Posted by Zorak
(Post 33581210)
I assume in the scenario under discussion there is currently no available inventory on the SLC-HNL leg, so the question is whether, just because you have a cleared RUC on the first leg, you can SDC and scam the system into giving you F the entire way on your new itinerary just because you currently have the first flight in F. I would be astonished if this worked.
The question is, when there is F inventory on the SLC-HNL leg, what happens? Do you get F on the first leg, then waitlist the RUC for the second? Do you waitlist the RUC on both? Or will they give you F on both? And what needs to be available to do the SDC in the first place; even if there's OY availability on both flights, does that suffice? |
Originally Posted by sethb
(Post 33581353)
If there's no available F inventory on the SLC-HNL leg, you couldn't SDC in F even if you had a full F paid ticket.
The question is, when there is F inventory on the SLC-HNL leg, what happens? Do you get F on the first leg, then waitlist the RUC for the second? Do you waitlist the RUC on both? Or will they give you F on both? And what needs to be available to do the SDC in the first place; even if there's OY availability on both flights, does that suffice? |
Originally Posted by Tedgrrrr
(Post 33581088)
I assume this one is heavily agent dependent... but I know for a fact that if I use an RUC (and clear the whole way) that I can change to any first class flight on that day no problemo.
without knowing this, it's pointless to even speculate on the rest of your question. |
Originally Posted by Zorak
(Post 33581210)
I assume in the scenario under discussion there is currently no available inventory on the SLC-HNL leg, so the question is whether, just because you have a cleared RUC on the first leg, you can SDC and scam the system into giving you F the entire way on your new itinerary just because you currently have the first flight in F. I would be astonished if this worked.
Originally Posted by sethb
(Post 33581353)
If there's no available F inventory on the SLC-HNL leg, you couldn't SDC in F even if you had a full F paid ticket.
The question is, when there is F inventory on the SLC-HNL leg, what happens? Do you get F on the first leg, then waitlist the RUC for the second? Do you waitlist the RUC on both? Or will they give you F on both? And what needs to be available to do the SDC in the first place; even if there's OY availability on both flights, does that suffice?
Originally Posted by Zorak
(Post 33581210)
I assume in the scenario under discussion there is currently no available inventory on the SLC-HNL leg, so the question is whether, just because you have a cleared RUC on the first leg, you can SDC and scam the system into giving you F the entire way on your new itinerary just because you currently have the first flight in F. I would be astonished if this worked.
IMO the interesting question, and it's mostly an academic one, is: if you have cleared only one leg is if it's treated as a broken fare. In which case you could SDC LGA-ATL to any other LGA-ATL or LGA-XXX-ATL in F, but would still have to SDC the ATL-HNL flight in coach and following the coach SDC rules. |
Originally Posted by ATOBTTR
(Post 33582437)
What I have done (and I presume I'm not the only one) is there have been times where I've been on flights with an RUC that's still wait-listed yet has open F seats while in the SDC window and I've SDC'ed to a flight with RUC availability, had the RUC clear into F, and then SDC'ed back to my original flight but now in F.
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Originally Posted by ATOBTTR
(Post 33582437)
The way I read Zorak's post is that "no available inventory" referred to RUC inventory specifically, not open F seats.
What I have done (and I presume I'm not the only one) is there have been times where I've been on flights with an RUC that's still wait-listed yet has open F seats while in the SDC window and I've SDC'ed to a flight with RUC availability, had the RUC clear into F, and then SDC'ed back to my original flight but now in F. |
Originally Posted by El Boocho
(Post 33583001)
2 calls or 1. Ballsy to do both moves on the same call!
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Originally Posted by WillBarrett_68
(Post 33583810)
it's 100% within policy so it shouldn't matter
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Originally Posted by El Boocho
(Post 33583001)
2 calls or 1. Ballsy to do both moves on the same call!
Originally Posted by WillBarrett_68
(Post 33583810)
it's 100% within policy so it shouldn't matter
I was able to get a PM agent to add a segment (most likely DCA-MSP-SEA to DCA-ATL-LAX-SEA) and then change the routing to DCA-JFK-LAX-SEA |
Originally Posted by WillBarrett_68
(Post 33583810)
it's 100% within policy so it shouldn't matter
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Originally Posted by ATOBTTR
(Post 33582437)
The way I read Zorak's post is that "no available inventory" referred to RUC inventory specifically, not open F seats.
What I have done (and I presume I'm not the only one) is there have been times where I've been on flights with an RUC that's still wait-listed yet has open F seats while in the SDC window and I've SDC'ed to a flight with RUC availability, had the RUC clear into F, and then SDC'ed back to my original flight but now in F. |
Originally Posted by Zorak
(Post 33583851)
It shouldn't matter, but I could also conceive that some agents might push back if they think you are getting away with something, even if it is fully within policy.
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Originally Posted by El Boocho
(Post 33584035)
I don’t think taking a “legalistic” approach will be effective in the long run, it will just cause the rules to change.
sure, maybe they might also change the rules even if you don't do those things! there's no evidence that this is a "result that delta didn't intend." |
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