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Using Delta Global Upgrades


DL page: https://www.delta.com/us/en/skymiles/medallion-program/medallion-upgrades
(click or scroll to "Upgrade Certificates Overview" and expand the "Show Additional Details & Terms" sections to see T&C, especially for the specific conditions governing use on partner airlines)

"Global Upgrade Certificates, available exclusively for Diamond Medallion Members, offer upgrades on both international and domestic flights with Delta, and select flights with KLM, Air France, Virgin Atlantic, Virgin Australia, Korean Air and Aeromexico."

Delta offers Diamond Medallion members the benefit of up to 4 Global Upgrade Certificates (GUCs) per year, which each allow a one-way upgrade to business class/Delta One for one person on any route in the Delta network, as well as a limited number of partner flights under specific restricted circumstances described below. 4 GUCs is enough to upgrade the Diamond Medallion member on 2 round trips or 4 one-way trips, or the Diamond Medallion member plus one companion on 1 round trip or 2 one-way trips.

Choosing upgrades as a choice benefit
  • Upgrades are valid one year from the date of issue, usually the day of or day after they are selected in Choice Benefits -- so best to wait as long as possible to select them unless you have a specific use planned for them
  • All Diamond Medallions also receive a Platinum Medallion choice benefit, even if just renewing existing Diamond status in a year, so DMs could for example select 4 RUCs as their Platinum choice benefit and 4 GUCs as one of their Diamond choice benefit, or 4 RUCs as their Platinum choice benefit and 8 more RUCs as one of their Diamond choice benefits
  • However, it is not possible to select 8 RUCs as one Diamond choice benefit and 4 GUCs as another, nor select 4 GUCs more than once for a single year's Diamond choice benefits -- so the most GUCs anyone can currently earn in a single year is 4
  • You may select your DM benefits at different times, so it is best to select fixed-expiration-date benefits (like gifting status or SkyClub memberships) as soon as possible, but wait until you have a specific use in mind to select upgrades, so that the expiration date is as far into the future as possible. This is especially important if you are waitlisting upgrades for a particular trip, since if the waitlist doesn't clear, a later expiration date will maximize the amount of time you have to try again to use them on a different trip.
  • For status earned based on flying in 2017, upgrades can be selected until the last day that status is valid, January 31, 2019, so they could possibly expire as late as January ~30, 2020 if they are selected as late as possible.
  • Upgrades can be used after you are no longer a Diamond Medallion as long as the upgrades are still valid, though non-DM-line phone agents will be less familiar with them, so they may be harder to use or run a higher risk of being processed incorrectly, so it may be worth booking your GUC flights before your DM status expires if possible.
  • All flights to be upgraded must be flown, not just requested, by the expiration date of the upgrade certificates, though there have been some examples of short extensions offered by phone agents (for example, to the end of the month of the expiration date) as long as the upgrade is able to be confirmed before the certificates expire. In this case it is important to push the agent to make sure the ticket is reissued right away, since it will not be possible to reissue the ticket after the GUC expires. You can tell if the ticket has been reissued because the ticket number on the booking will change from what it was when you originally booked in coach, and the GUC will be marked as "closed" in your wallet on Delta.com.

Finding upgrade space
  • Delta phone agents and the @Delta Twitter account can check for available upgrade space
  • There is no general way to check for available upgrade space online
  • However there is one exception where some flights appear to be able to be checked online: for Delta flights carrying a KLM code -- for example, most flights between the US and Europe -- ExpertFlyer.com (paid membership required) shows KLM upgrade space, and will show upgrade space for those KL-coded, DL-operated flights, which based on anecdotal evidence seems to often (but not always) correspond to upgrade space made available by Delta. This can be a way to check many dates and flights easily, but confirm with Delta that the upgrade space does in fact exist before making firm plans.
  • Upgrade space is not necessarily correlated with award space
  • If upgrade space is not available on your desired flight, you can waitlist, and it is possible the upgrade may clear before departure. If not your name should appear on the upgrade list at the gate. See next section for details.
  • Upgrade space is rarely seen in advance on busy, high-upgrade-demand routes like ATL-JNB and LAX-SYD.

Requesting an upgrade
  • You must call or Tweet at Delta to request an upgrade, they cannot be requested on the website
  • If upgrade space is available, the agent will process the upgrade immediately and you will be able to select business class seats
  • If the upgrade is confirmed in advance, your ticket will be reissued in business class at some point before the flight and you will receive a new itinerary email when this happens; occasionally the ticket does not get reissued and you will not be able to check in, but a quick call to Delta usually fixes this easily
  • Occasionally an email is sent to alert you if a waitlisted upgrade has cleared, but often the best indication is if a segment of your itinerary disappears entirely from Delta.com, which usually means the upgrade has cleared on that segment. Call Delta to have them process it so that it reappears in your itinerary, and you will be able to select business class seats.
  • There have been reports of upgrades coded incorrectly by agents -- unfortunately there is no way to know for sure if your upgrade is coded correctly, and requested upgrades seem to show up a few different ways on Delta.com, sometimes with an "upgrade requested" designation on the flight, and/or with a "phantom" duplicate flight in the seat maps which will not let you select seats
  • If an upgrade has not cleared by check-in time and you do not appear on the upgrade list on the Delta app or Delta.com, call to have an agent correct the upgrade
  • In certain airports where other airlines handle Delta's flights (particularly AMS), it is not officially possible to clear at the gate; KLM does process upgrades at the gate in AMS for certificates waitlisted 24 hours in advance of departure, but this is not an officially guaranteed benefit. To be safe make sure you have your GUC certificate numbers and redemption codes written down in case the KLM agents need this information.
  • If you are connecting, for example flying MCO-ATL-LHR, and upgrade space is not available on ATL-LHR, best practice is to waitlist on the ATL-LHR leg only, so as not to waste a global upgrade on the short MCO-ATL flight, and then add the upgrade request to MCO-ATL when/if ATL-LHR clears; most agents will understand this approach and may even proactively suggest it
  • If you have selected your choice benefits very recently (within the last 24-48 hours), the phone agent may not yet be able to see your upgrade codes, but you can read the codes to the agent from the My Wallet page on Delta.com
  • The priority order of GUCs, RUCs, mileage upgrades, and complimentary upgrades is not 100% clear, but it is known that GUCs and RUCs have higher priority than complimentary upgrades, and that GUCs and RUCs appear to have equal priority. It is listed on Delta.com that GUCs and RUCs clear first by medallion level and then by time of request, which is different from the upgrade priority used for complimentary upgrades (which is also listed on the website)

Other upgrade rules
  • Upgrades are valid on Delta flights on all economy fares except Basic Economy (E)
  • It is possible to request upgrades in one direction of a roundtrip only, for example if you had 4 US-Europe trips planned and only 4 GUCs, you might decide to upgrade the eastbound flights only as they are overnight flights and remain in economy for the westbound flights.
  • On flights operated with a Premium Select cabin, Delta has indicated that it will still be possible to use a GUC to upgrade directly from economy to Premium Select or to Delta One using the same number of GUCs. However, if an upgrade is cleared from economy to Premium Select, the GUC will be considered used, and another GUC would be required to upgrade again to Delta One. The best strategy is probably to waitlist only for Delta One upgrades, and perhaps if the GUC is close to expiring or you don't expect to have another use for it, to add a request for a Premium Select upgrade close to departure if the Delta One upgrade hasn't yet cleared and/or the Delta One seat map looks very full.
  • Upgrades may be used for the SkyMiles member and up to one companion; The companion need not be in the same PNR, but must be traveling on the exact same flight as the GUC holder.
  • Unlike AA and UA upgrades, DL upgrades cannot be gifted to someone whom the SkyMiles member is not traveling with
  • As of January 22, 2018, it is now officially possible to use a certificate for a companion but not for yourself, as long as you are traveling on the same flight as the companion -- for example if you are eligible to buy a business class ticket for business travel and want to bring your spouse by buying an economy ticket and upgrading them. It is not clear if you could upgrade your companion but not yourself. In the past the question has been raised of waiting for a complimentary medallion upgrade for the main member and then using a certificate for the companion, but now that companions for complimentary medallion upgrades are processed at the same priority as the main member, this is no longer a likely concern.

Using upgrades on KLM

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...grade-klm.html
  • "For travel on KLM-operated, Delta-marketed flights this certificate may be used to upgrade on published fares booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class and all fare classes upgrade into Z class. For travel on KLM-operated flights marketed by KLM, fares booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class are eligible to upgrade into Z class. For travel on KLM-operated flights marketed by AF, this certificate may be used to upgrade on published fares booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class into Z class. "
  • NOTE: some of the combinations above are only (relatively) recently eligible for GUCs. Phone agents may not be familiar with the new rules, and may need to be gently pointed in the direction of the DL T&C on their own website.
  • In the course of processing the upgrade of a Delta-marketed, KLM-operated flight, Delta reissues the KLM flights on KLM flight numbers when they issue the upgrade, but the flights must be bought on DL flight numbers initially (unless buying expensive Y, B, or M fares with KLM)
  • It is not possible to waitlist for upgrade on KLM flights, nor to go to the airport upgrade list, so space must be available in advance in order for the upgrade to clear. Many agents will offer to put you on the waitlist, but putting you on the upgrade waitlist for a KLM flight will simply never clear so you're better off monitoring it yourself (see next bullets).
  • KLM upgrade space can be checked on ExpertFlyer.com (requires a paid membership). ExpertFlyer also allows users to set alerts for particular fare classes becoming available, which could be useful in lieu of being able to waitlist -- you can set an ExpertFlyer alert for "Z" availability and then call Delta to grab the upgrade if you receive an ExpertFlyer alert that it becomes available.
  • KLM upgrade space on a single segment is different if you search that segment alone vs. if you search a connecting itinerary involving that segment. So if you are looking for KLM upgrades ORD-AMS-JNB, you need to search ORD-JNB in ExpertFlyer to see the true availability; even if there is space on ORD-AMS and AMS-JNB, if it Z space doesn't show up for ORD-JNB you won't be able to upgrade. Unfortunately this means that ExpertFlyer availability alerts, which can only be set on a segment-by-segment basis, are not useful for monitoring KLM upgrade availability on connecting flights.
  • In some cases, adding a DL domestic connecting flight can change KLM upgrade availability. For example ATL-AMS on KLM may show availability but MCO-ATL-AMS may not. Example. Unfortunately some more complex routings, such as forcing an extra connection to find KLM upgrade space (flying JFK-ORD-AMS-CPT instead of JFK-AMS-CPT), do not show up on ExpertFlyer so you are at the mercy of hopefully finding Delta agents who know what they're doing.
  • Bookings with KLM ticket numbers (starting in 074) can be upgraded using the same rules as bookings with Delta ticket numbers (starting in 006). Delta-operated, KLM-coded flights can be upgraded under the same rules as any other KLM-coded flight. Delta-coded, Delta-operated flights booked on a KLM ticket number can be upgraded the same as if they were booked on a Delta ticket number, so in any fare class other than E.
  • There have been numerous challenges with KLM upgrades, so be careful, be persistent, and make sure you request the upgrade within the no-risk cancellation window of the ticket so you can cancel if it doesn't work as expected.
  • More KLM upgrade reading: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

Using upgrades on Virgin Atlantic

3-year-old thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta-air-lines-skymiles/1779666-guc-now-able-used-virgin-atlantic-vs.html
related, upgrading VS with SkyMiles (also requires G class, so the info may be useful too?): https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta-air-lines-skymiles/1857464-definitive-thread-use-sky-miles-upgrade-vs.html
  • "Valid on Delta-marketed (DL flight number), Virgin Atlantic-operated flights for use globally on published fares booked in W, Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class to G class (Upper Class). " Upgrading on Virgin-marketed (VS flight number) flights using GUCs is not possible.
  • Global Upgrades on Virgin Atlantic flights must be confirmed 24 hours prior to departure.
  • Global Upgrade Certificates may not be used to waitlist for a Virgin Atlantic-operated flight. Many agents will offer to put you on the waitlist, but putting you on the upgrade waitlist for a Virgin Atlantic flight will simply never clear so you're better off monitoring it yourself (see next bullets).
  • DL flight numbers are not available for most Virgin Atlantic flights to regions other than the US (for example LHR-JNB), so it is not possible to use GUCs on those flights.
  • Virgin Atlantic upgrade space appears to use the same availability as awards, so if a business class award is available for a Virgin Atlantic flight on Delta.com, it should be available for an upgrade (as long as that flight is booked on a DL flight number). If an award is not available, an upgrade is probably not available -- but if you notice any exceptions to this rule please share in the thread. You can also monitor G space using ExpertFlyer (see KLM section above).
  • Because G is the same code as Virgin Atlantic uses for award tickets, after you fly the tickets will register with Delta as having been awards and will not earn any miles. Watch your mileage earning carefully and you will likely have to call Delta and explain that it wasn't an award ticket but an upgrade from a paid coach ticket, and they will correct the mileage earning to be equivalent to what you would have earned on your original coach ticket.

Using upgrades on Virgin Australia

Valid on Delta-marketed, Virgin Australia-operated flights on published fares booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U class to Virgin Australia’s Business Class.

Using upgrades on Air France

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...20-onward.html

"For travel on Air France-operated flights marketed by Air France and booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class, customers can upgrade into A class (Premium Economy) or Z class (Business Class). For Air France-operated flights marketed by KLM, customers with a published fare booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class can upgrade into Z class (Business Class). For Air France-operated flights marketed by Delta, customers with a published fare booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class can upgrade into A class (Premium Economy) or Z class (Business Class). In addition, customers traveling on an Air France-marketed and operated flight and booked in W, S or A class as well as customers traveling on an Air France-operated, Delta-marketed flight and booked in P, A, or G class can upgrade to Z class (Business Class)"

NOTE: GUC usage on AF used to be restricted to high fare classes only. Phone agents may not be familiar with the new rules, and may need to be gently pointed in the direction of the DL T&C on their own website.

Using upgrades on Korean (restricted to certain fare classes only)

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...ed-thread.html

"Valid on Delta-marketed, Korean Air-operated flights for use globally on Delta's published fares booked in Y or B class to Korean Air's Z class, or booked in M class to Korean Air's O class."

GUC usage on Korean requires the purchase of high fare classes, which may mean that it is cheaper to buy a discounted business class ticket than to buy an eligible coach fare and try to upgrade. Uniquely, it is possible to use GUCs to upgrade from business to first on Korean, but only if you buy the most expensive business class fares.

Using upgrades on Aeromexico

"For travel on Aeromexico operated, Delta marketed flights this certificate may be used to upgrade on Delta`s published fares booked in W, Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class and all fare classes upgrade into Aeromexico`s O class."




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Old Nov 24, 2021, 2:18 pm
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Originally Posted by CO-PLAT
Is this what GUCs are supposed to look like when waitlisted for flights?

In my experience unused certificates and waitlisted certificates look exactly the same in your DL wallet.
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Originally Posted by CO-PLAT
Is this what GUCs are supposed to look like when waitlisted for flights?

Until cleared and ticket reissued GUC remain open.

As has been stated many times, there is nothing that displays to passenger that indicates correctly waitlisted.
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Originally Posted by bgriff
Annoyingly Delta has a few different spots where they list the GUC T&Cs and they're often inconsistent. In this case the upgrades page doesn't seem to clearly talk about upgrades to Korean First Class, but the T&Cs on an individual GUC are clear -- you can only upgrade to Korean First from a J class business class ticket, i.e. a full-fare ticket which is likely much more expensive than the Z ticket you're currently booked on. So you would not be eligible unfortunately.
I am looking to use GUCs OKC-ICN in October 2022. Things are not looking good on DL equipment for my preferred dates, and the DL web cannot reveal the odds when trying to get KE Prestige via ATL or LAX (from OKC).
Any reports of recent upgrades on KE using GUCs from economy to Prestige? Is it the same inventory if I pay economy and upgrade to Prestige with miles on KE (as I have often done RT ICN-HKG)?

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Originally Posted by Xeno
I am looking to use GUCs OKC-ICN in October 2022. Things are not looking good on DL equipment for my preferred dates, and the DL web cannot reveal the odds when trying to get KE Prestige via ATL or LAX (from OKC).
Any reports of recent upgrades on KE using GUCs from economy to Prestige? Is it the same inventory if I pay economy and upgrade to Prestige with miles on KE (as I have often done RT ICN-HKG)?
KE requires you upgrade into the same space as an award ticket, unless book very expensive YBM fares. (YBM fares generally are more expensive than discounted business fares) KE is well known for releasing 1 maybe 2 business award seats, even on completely empty flights.
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Another data point for success....
Multi seg between working weekends:
DFW-ATL-CDG-ZAG with return ZAG-AMS-ATL-AUS
Outbound showed (on DL.com) D1 available with cert at booking
Return showed waitlisted, but agent (Ian from Singapore=fantastic) said D1 cleared upon his looking at the segment.

And newbie EF mistake - originally wanted KLM return, showing 8x Z available on return (AMS-ATL), but KLM would not release the seat.
FT forum scour says that the whole itinerary needs to clear with Z, which it did not. Hence switching over to a DL bird for the return.
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Originally Posted by BHammy
Another data point for success....
Multi seg between working weekends:
DFW-ATL-CDG-ZAG with return ZAG-AMS-ATL-AUS
Outbound showed (on DL.com) D1 available with cert at booking
Return showed waitlisted, but agent (Ian from Singapore=fantastic) said D1 cleared upon his looking at the segment.

And newbie EF mistake - originally wanted KLM return, showing 8x Z available on return (AMS-ATL), but KLM would not release the seat.
FT forum scour says that the whole itinerary needs to clear with Z, which it did not. Hence switching over to a DL bird for the return.
Whole itinerary does not need clear. However Z must be available when searching based on origin/destination not just origin/destination of the single flight. (Married segments)

Easiest thing I find. Search on KLM for a business class ticket (you need to look RT even if only looking for OW). If it offers a Z fare you're good to upgrade.. You can use this trick even when looking at mixed metal tickets. (DL & KL)
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Originally Posted by flyerCO
HUCA. Chat seems to not know anything anymore.
Can confirm the chat is again no good. Got what has been the best phone agent I have had in a year who got me covered on three different tickets for various things (and she knew what a JWD cert was too ). Couldn't break the married segment logic on an award schedule change which I understood, but able to quickly (less then 15 minutes) get my ticket reissued by the reissue desk with upgrades processed on domestic leg and not mess up the rest of the ticket! So success now - ATW-MSP-LHR-DTW-ATW. 2 open GUC's, which I do not know what I will use for long term but let's see; hopefully back to Finland for work in 2022.
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Just booked ATL to ATH roundtrip into D1 for October 2022. Looks to be a few other days available that month.
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Originally Posted by bgriff
You can't use GUCs on a KE award ticket. You can on a KE revenue ticket but under very limited conditions and only on expensive fares.

You can use them on the Delta segment. 1 GUC per person per direction so 2 people roundtrip = 4 GUCs. ("Direction" means PDX-SEA-ICN / ICN-SEA-PDX in this case. The PDX-SEA flights are probably available for upgrades given how short the flights are -- but you will most likely want to not take the upgrade on that short flight until/unless you also get the upgrade on the overwater flight, since it would be a waste to burn the GUCs just on the short flight.)

For the DL197 you have a choice -- you can either take PS as a confirmed upgrade, or waitlist for D1. If you take PS confirmed, you would need to use another 2 GUCs to upgrade further to D1.

For the DL196, you can choose to waitlist for D1 only, or for PS and D1 and see what clears first, if anything. If your waitlist doesn't clear the GUCs remain unused.

In the past, if you canceled the ticket after the GUCs had been applied and reticketed (reticketing, which "closes" the GUC, doesn't always happen right away after you apply the upgrade), you lost the GUC. I did earlier this year have success reclaiming/reopening an RUC that had been reticketed, though, so YMMV.

(A bunch of this changes in February but since you're flying next month this guidance applies under current rules.)

Finally, you probably might as well choose GUCs as one of your choice benefits anyway, because in a one-time offer as a part of those February changes, any unused GUCs selected before Nov 15 can, by the end of June 2022, be exchanged for 8K miles each -- so selecting GUCs and exchanging them for miles gets you 32K miles, vs. only 25K miles as one of the other choice benefits. So there's really nothing to lose in selecting GUCs right now, and once you have them, IMO probably worth trying a D1 waitlist, and if it doesn't clear you can cash in the unused GUCs for miles.
Appreciate you sharing this and suggesting the relatively low risk GUC strategy. I had been wait-listed for D1 and noticed yesterday that DL 196 was available for upgrade to D1 with a new booking. I still had not been cleared. I thought the process was supposed to be automatic. I called today. Waited 20 minutes for a human and then it took another 28 minutes for them to clear the upgrade and give me seat assignments. They said I had already cleared, but I was still seeing my seats in C+. I was also cleared into F on DL 4053 SEA-PDX using the same GUC. Now I have to check the outbound DL 197 every day to see if D1 will open up. At present, only PS is available for upgrade.
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I wonder if anyone has recent experience trying to use GUCs (or for that matter RUCs) on Expedia-booked tickets. Yeah, I know, the whole Expedia thing is a root canal of sorts, but in late 2020 I booked one of their "get a really cheap Z fare if you book one night in a hotel" deals, and then had to cancel due to COVID. So now I have DL flight credit on Expedia that I need to use up, and would like to upgrade if possible. Thanks for any insights!
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I'll post this in the 'Yay!' thread, but also have a question about GUC on Air France. Booked XXX-ATL-CDG-CAI (before Feb 1) and back (after Feb 1) for two of us. Focusing on the trans-Atlantic section, I chose a two-cabin (no Premium Select) ATL-CDG on the outbound so I wouldn't have to figure out the rules about GUC upgrade to D1 vs. Premium Select, and Premium Select on the inbound (because the price premium wasn't too extreme and there was D1 availability).

Inbound GUC cleared CDG-ATL on booking (as I knew it would -- there was D1 availability -- this is actually something very nice about the new policy). Outbound was waitlisted but cleared after (I think) 'schedule change Saturday' changed the outbound to a 3-cabin jet -- it's not really clear what rules applied and where my waitlist sat during this transition, but I'm happy with the outcome!

My questions are about GUC availability on CDG-CAI (AF operated, 006 ticket, U economy ticket, seat selection shows seats in the 'Economy' section) and CAI-CDG (AF operated, 006 ticket, G economy, seats in the 'Premium Economy') section. Am I supposed to call in at more-or-less random times (or is there a 'window'?) and ask if there is GUC availability? Or is there a systematic way to find when availability becomes available? Or is it hopeless and I should just get on with my life (probably!)? For CDG-CAI, can I expect an upgrade to Premium Economy, or to Business?
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Originally Posted by speede racer
I'll post this in the 'Yay!' thread, but also have a question about GUC on Air France. Booked XXX-ATL-CDG-CAI (before Feb 1) and back (after Feb 1) for two of us. Focusing on the trans-Atlantic section, I chose a two-cabin (no Premium Select) ATL-CDG on the outbound so I wouldn't have to figure out the rules about GUC upgrade to D1 vs. Premium Select, and Premium Select on the inbound (because the price premium wasn't too extreme and there was D1 availability).

Inbound GUC cleared CDG-ATL on booking (as I knew it would -- there was D1 availability -- this is actually something very nice about the new policy). Outbound was waitlisted but cleared after (I think) 'schedule change Saturday' changed the outbound to a 3-cabin jet -- it's not really clear what rules applied and where my waitlist sat during this transition, but I'm happy with the outcome!

My questions are about GUC availability on CDG-CAI (AF operated, 006 ticket, U economy ticket, seat selection shows seats in the 'Economy' section) and CAI-CDG (AF operated, 006 ticket, G economy, seats in the 'Premium Economy') section. Am I supposed to call in at more-or-less random times (or is there a 'window'?) and ask if there is GUC availability? Or is there a systematic way to find when availability becomes available? Or is it hopeless and I should just get on with my life (probably!)? For CDG-CAI, can I expect an upgrade to Premium Economy, or to Business?
I believe the Feb 1 cutover is for upgrades processed after that date, not for travel after that date, so both directions work under the old rules here as long as all upgrades are processed by Feb 1. But congrats in any case.

For CDG-CAI, there is no waitlist. You can try setting an availability alert for Z space using a paid membership to ExpertFlyer, but even that won't really help in this case because you need to have Z space on the Air France legs as booked on a routing including the Delta flights to/from the US, which is something ExpertFlyer isn't able to search for or show. On top of all that, Delta phone agents often give mistaken information about when partner flights are or aren't upgrade eligible ... so actually getting those segments upgraded is going to be an uphill battle. It doesn't hurt to give Delta a call a few times between now and Feb 1 to ask if those flights are available, but best if you don't get your hopes up. If you do find upgrade space before Feb 1 it should be to Business; after Feb 1 it would be one cabin only but where you are already booked in Premium Economy on the post-Feb 1 return then you would still upgrade to Business.
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Old Dec 13, 2021, 1:02 pm
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I had initially booked CLE-MSP-AMS over the phone and the agent was able to confirm the upgrade immediately. Looking at the itinerary later, I saw that the connection time at MSP was super short, so I called DL to ask them to book me through ATL so I could have a longer layover. They reluctantly agreed to make the change and waive the fare difference, but they couldn't confirm the upgrade on ATL-AMS. I called back again after seeing upgrade space on DTW-AMS, and they were able to switch me to that flight, but this agent didn't see that my companion was traveling with me on a separate PNR. He is now waitlisted with three seats left, while I've already cleared into D1. I'm guessing there's no way international ticketing can push through an upgrade, right? The only other play I can think of would be asking them to put be back through through ATL and taking the KL flight since they have the upgrade space. --And that's IF they're willing to change my ticket a third time. The last agent told me there were a ton of notes on my reservation

Any advice on what I should do? Trying not to get blacklisted.
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Old Dec 13, 2021, 1:40 pm
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Flew my first GUC upgrade yesterday. PDX- SEA-ICN-BKK and back in a couple weeks from now.

We paid 104,000 miles each for seats in the back and upgraded to C+ (on Delta segments) at booking due to Diamond status. Waitlisted for D1 outbound on DL 197 and confirmed D1 on DL 196 + F on the SEA-PDX segment.
I had been watching the seat map (yes, I know its not always indicative of actual seat availability) for weeks. There were 5 seats showing unoccupied for a long time. When Omicron hit the news, the seat map rapidly changed to 16 available in D1. The day before departure, it showed 14 seats unoccupied. The two of us were not upgraded until just after boarding had begun. 12 D1 seats went out empty from SEA-ICN. My first time in a Delta "suite" and I liked it.
It was hard to ride on KE 653 in economy for 6 hours after having been in the suite for 12 hours.

We were late leaving SEA due to a problem with a cargo door on the aircraft. When I got to Incheon, I noticed that our bags stayed in SEA. This was even after the app showed it had been loaded onto the plane. Now we're in Bangkok with no luggage for about 30 hours.

Turned out to be a great (first time) use of GUC.
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Old Dec 13, 2021, 5:35 pm
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Originally Posted by CO-PLAT
Flew my first GUC upgrade yesterday. PDX- SEA-ICN-BKK and back in a couple weeks from now.

We paid 104,000 miles each for seats in the back and upgraded to C+ (on Delta segments) at booking due to Diamond status. Waitlisted for D1 outbound on DL 197 and confirmed D1 on DL 196 + F on the SEA-PDX segment.
I had been watching the seat map (yes, I know its not always indicative of actual seat availability) for weeks. There were 5 seats showing unoccupied for a long time. When Omicron hit the news, the seat map rapidly changed to 16 available in D1. The day before departure, it showed 14 seats unoccupied. The two of us were not upgraded until just after boarding had begun. 12 D1 seats went out empty from SEA-ICN. My first time in a Delta "suite" and I liked it.
It was hard to ride on KE 653 in economy for 6 hours after having been in the suite for 12 hours.

We were late leaving SEA due to a problem with a cargo door on the aircraft. When I got to Incheon, I noticed that our bags stayed in SEA. This was even after the app showed it had been loaded onto the plane. Now we're in Bangkok with no luggage for about 30 hours.

Turned out to be a great (first time) use of GUC.
I agree RE: the hard landing from D1 to KE economy! My last time experiencing this, I was in PE from SEA-ICN and then coach SEA-HKT. PS on Delta to Y on Korean was a steep drop off. That was a very long 6.5 hour flight to (and then from) Thailand.

Speaking of, how was Thailand? Were there a ton of hoops to jump through? We are looking at visiting in April/May but remain unsure as to how viable a trip there will be under current circumstances.
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