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Using Delta Global Upgrades


DL page: https://www.delta.com/us/en/skymiles/medallion-program/medallion-upgrades
(click or scroll to "Upgrade Certificates Overview" and expand the "Show Additional Details & Terms" sections to see T&C, especially for the specific conditions governing use on partner airlines)

"Global Upgrade Certificates, available exclusively for Diamond Medallion Members, offer upgrades on both international and domestic flights with Delta, and select flights with KLM, Air France, Virgin Atlantic, Virgin Australia, Korean Air and Aeromexico."

Delta offers Diamond Medallion members the benefit of up to 4 Global Upgrade Certificates (GUCs) per year, which each allow a one-way upgrade to business class/Delta One for one person on any route in the Delta network, as well as a limited number of partner flights under specific restricted circumstances described below. 4 GUCs is enough to upgrade the Diamond Medallion member on 2 round trips or 4 one-way trips, or the Diamond Medallion member plus one companion on 1 round trip or 2 one-way trips.

Choosing upgrades as a choice benefit
  • Upgrades are valid one year from the date of issue, usually the day of or day after they are selected in Choice Benefits -- so best to wait as long as possible to select them unless you have a specific use planned for them
  • All Diamond Medallions also receive a Platinum Medallion choice benefit, even if just renewing existing Diamond status in a year, so DMs could for example select 4 RUCs as their Platinum choice benefit and 4 GUCs as one of their Diamond choice benefit, or 4 RUCs as their Platinum choice benefit and 8 more RUCs as one of their Diamond choice benefits
  • However, it is not possible to select 8 RUCs as one Diamond choice benefit and 4 GUCs as another, nor select 4 GUCs more than once for a single year's Diamond choice benefits -- so the most GUCs anyone can currently earn in a single year is 4
  • You may select your DM benefits at different times, so it is best to select fixed-expiration-date benefits (like gifting status or SkyClub memberships) as soon as possible, but wait until you have a specific use in mind to select upgrades, so that the expiration date is as far into the future as possible. This is especially important if you are waitlisting upgrades for a particular trip, since if the waitlist doesn't clear, a later expiration date will maximize the amount of time you have to try again to use them on a different trip.
  • For status earned based on flying in 2017, upgrades can be selected until the last day that status is valid, January 31, 2019, so they could possibly expire as late as January ~30, 2020 if they are selected as late as possible.
  • Upgrades can be used after you are no longer a Diamond Medallion as long as the upgrades are still valid, though non-DM-line phone agents will be less familiar with them, so they may be harder to use or run a higher risk of being processed incorrectly, so it may be worth booking your GUC flights before your DM status expires if possible.
  • All flights to be upgraded must be flown, not just requested, by the expiration date of the upgrade certificates, though there have been some examples of short extensions offered by phone agents (for example, to the end of the month of the expiration date) as long as the upgrade is able to be confirmed before the certificates expire. In this case it is important to push the agent to make sure the ticket is reissued right away, since it will not be possible to reissue the ticket after the GUC expires. You can tell if the ticket has been reissued because the ticket number on the booking will change from what it was when you originally booked in coach, and the GUC will be marked as "closed" in your wallet on Delta.com.

Finding upgrade space
  • Delta phone agents and the @Delta Twitter account can check for available upgrade space
  • There is no general way to check for available upgrade space online
  • However there is one exception where some flights appear to be able to be checked online: for Delta flights carrying a KLM code -- for example, most flights between the US and Europe -- ExpertFlyer.com (paid membership required) shows KLM upgrade space, and will show upgrade space for those KL-coded, DL-operated flights, which based on anecdotal evidence seems to often (but not always) correspond to upgrade space made available by Delta. This can be a way to check many dates and flights easily, but confirm with Delta that the upgrade space does in fact exist before making firm plans.
  • Upgrade space is not necessarily correlated with award space
  • If upgrade space is not available on your desired flight, you can waitlist, and it is possible the upgrade may clear before departure. If not your name should appear on the upgrade list at the gate. See next section for details.
  • Upgrade space is rarely seen in advance on busy, high-upgrade-demand routes like ATL-JNB and LAX-SYD.

Requesting an upgrade
  • You must call or Tweet at Delta to request an upgrade, they cannot be requested on the website
  • If upgrade space is available, the agent will process the upgrade immediately and you will be able to select business class seats
  • If the upgrade is confirmed in advance, your ticket will be reissued in business class at some point before the flight and you will receive a new itinerary email when this happens; occasionally the ticket does not get reissued and you will not be able to check in, but a quick call to Delta usually fixes this easily
  • Occasionally an email is sent to alert you if a waitlisted upgrade has cleared, but often the best indication is if a segment of your itinerary disappears entirely from Delta.com, which usually means the upgrade has cleared on that segment. Call Delta to have them process it so that it reappears in your itinerary, and you will be able to select business class seats.
  • There have been reports of upgrades coded incorrectly by agents -- unfortunately there is no way to know for sure if your upgrade is coded correctly, and requested upgrades seem to show up a few different ways on Delta.com, sometimes with an "upgrade requested" designation on the flight, and/or with a "phantom" duplicate flight in the seat maps which will not let you select seats
  • If an upgrade has not cleared by check-in time and you do not appear on the upgrade list on the Delta app or Delta.com, call to have an agent correct the upgrade
  • In certain airports where other airlines handle Delta's flights (particularly AMS), it is not officially possible to clear at the gate; KLM does process upgrades at the gate in AMS for certificates waitlisted 24 hours in advance of departure, but this is not an officially guaranteed benefit. To be safe make sure you have your GUC certificate numbers and redemption codes written down in case the KLM agents need this information.
  • If you are connecting, for example flying MCO-ATL-LHR, and upgrade space is not available on ATL-LHR, best practice is to waitlist on the ATL-LHR leg only, so as not to waste a global upgrade on the short MCO-ATL flight, and then add the upgrade request to MCO-ATL when/if ATL-LHR clears; most agents will understand this approach and may even proactively suggest it
  • If you have selected your choice benefits very recently (within the last 24-48 hours), the phone agent may not yet be able to see your upgrade codes, but you can read the codes to the agent from the My Wallet page on Delta.com
  • The priority order of GUCs, RUCs, mileage upgrades, and complimentary upgrades is not 100% clear, but it is known that GUCs and RUCs have higher priority than complimentary upgrades, and that GUCs and RUCs appear to have equal priority. It is listed on Delta.com that GUCs and RUCs clear first by medallion level and then by time of request, which is different from the upgrade priority used for complimentary upgrades (which is also listed on the website)

Other upgrade rules
  • Upgrades are valid on Delta flights on all economy fares except Basic Economy (E)
  • It is possible to request upgrades in one direction of a roundtrip only, for example if you had 4 US-Europe trips planned and only 4 GUCs, you might decide to upgrade the eastbound flights only as they are overnight flights and remain in economy for the westbound flights.
  • On flights operated with a Premium Select cabin, Delta has indicated that it will still be possible to use a GUC to upgrade directly from economy to Premium Select or to Delta One using the same number of GUCs. However, if an upgrade is cleared from economy to Premium Select, the GUC will be considered used, and another GUC would be required to upgrade again to Delta One. The best strategy is probably to waitlist only for Delta One upgrades, and perhaps if the GUC is close to expiring or you don't expect to have another use for it, to add a request for a Premium Select upgrade close to departure if the Delta One upgrade hasn't yet cleared and/or the Delta One seat map looks very full.
  • Upgrades may be used for the SkyMiles member and up to one companion; The companion need not be in the same PNR, but must be traveling on the exact same flight as the GUC holder.
  • Unlike AA and UA upgrades, DL upgrades cannot be gifted to someone whom the SkyMiles member is not traveling with
  • As of January 22, 2018, it is now officially possible to use a certificate for a companion but not for yourself, as long as you are traveling on the same flight as the companion -- for example if you are eligible to buy a business class ticket for business travel and want to bring your spouse by buying an economy ticket and upgrading them. It is not clear if you could upgrade your companion but not yourself. In the past the question has been raised of waiting for a complimentary medallion upgrade for the main member and then using a certificate for the companion, but now that companions for complimentary medallion upgrades are processed at the same priority as the main member, this is no longer a likely concern.

Using upgrades on KLM

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...grade-klm.html
  • "For travel on KLM-operated, Delta-marketed flights this certificate may be used to upgrade on published fares booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class and all fare classes upgrade into Z class. For travel on KLM-operated flights marketed by KLM, fares booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class are eligible to upgrade into Z class. For travel on KLM-operated flights marketed by AF, this certificate may be used to upgrade on published fares booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class into Z class. "
  • NOTE: some of the combinations above are only (relatively) recently eligible for GUCs. Phone agents may not be familiar with the new rules, and may need to be gently pointed in the direction of the DL T&C on their own website.
  • In the course of processing the upgrade of a Delta-marketed, KLM-operated flight, Delta reissues the KLM flights on KLM flight numbers when they issue the upgrade, but the flights must be bought on DL flight numbers initially (unless buying expensive Y, B, or M fares with KLM)
  • It is not possible to waitlist for upgrade on KLM flights, nor to go to the airport upgrade list, so space must be available in advance in order for the upgrade to clear. Many agents will offer to put you on the waitlist, but putting you on the upgrade waitlist for a KLM flight will simply never clear so you're better off monitoring it yourself (see next bullets).
  • KLM upgrade space can be checked on ExpertFlyer.com (requires a paid membership). ExpertFlyer also allows users to set alerts for particular fare classes becoming available, which could be useful in lieu of being able to waitlist -- you can set an ExpertFlyer alert for "Z" availability and then call Delta to grab the upgrade if you receive an ExpertFlyer alert that it becomes available.
  • KLM upgrade space on a single segment is different if you search that segment alone vs. if you search a connecting itinerary involving that segment. So if you are looking for KLM upgrades ORD-AMS-JNB, you need to search ORD-JNB in ExpertFlyer to see the true availability; even if there is space on ORD-AMS and AMS-JNB, if it Z space doesn't show up for ORD-JNB you won't be able to upgrade. Unfortunately this means that ExpertFlyer availability alerts, which can only be set on a segment-by-segment basis, are not useful for monitoring KLM upgrade availability on connecting flights.
  • In some cases, adding a DL domestic connecting flight can change KLM upgrade availability. For example ATL-AMS on KLM may show availability but MCO-ATL-AMS may not. Example. Unfortunately some more complex routings, such as forcing an extra connection to find KLM upgrade space (flying JFK-ORD-AMS-CPT instead of JFK-AMS-CPT), do not show up on ExpertFlyer so you are at the mercy of hopefully finding Delta agents who know what they're doing.
  • Bookings with KLM ticket numbers (starting in 074) can be upgraded using the same rules as bookings with Delta ticket numbers (starting in 006). Delta-operated, KLM-coded flights can be upgraded under the same rules as any other KLM-coded flight. Delta-coded, Delta-operated flights booked on a KLM ticket number can be upgraded the same as if they were booked on a Delta ticket number, so in any fare class other than E.
  • There have been numerous challenges with KLM upgrades, so be careful, be persistent, and make sure you request the upgrade within the no-risk cancellation window of the ticket so you can cancel if it doesn't work as expected.
  • More KLM upgrade reading: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

Using upgrades on Virgin Atlantic

3-year-old thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta-air-lines-skymiles/1779666-guc-now-able-used-virgin-atlantic-vs.html
related, upgrading VS with SkyMiles (also requires G class, so the info may be useful too?): https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta-air-lines-skymiles/1857464-definitive-thread-use-sky-miles-upgrade-vs.html
  • "Valid on Delta-marketed (DL flight number), Virgin Atlantic-operated flights for use globally on published fares booked in W, Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class to G class (Upper Class). " Upgrading on Virgin-marketed (VS flight number) flights using GUCs is not possible.
  • Global Upgrades on Virgin Atlantic flights must be confirmed 24 hours prior to departure.
  • Global Upgrade Certificates may not be used to waitlist for a Virgin Atlantic-operated flight. Many agents will offer to put you on the waitlist, but putting you on the upgrade waitlist for a Virgin Atlantic flight will simply never clear so you're better off monitoring it yourself (see next bullets).
  • DL flight numbers are not available for most Virgin Atlantic flights to regions other than the US (for example LHR-JNB), so it is not possible to use GUCs on those flights.
  • Virgin Atlantic upgrade space appears to use the same availability as awards, so if a business class award is available for a Virgin Atlantic flight on Delta.com, it should be available for an upgrade (as long as that flight is booked on a DL flight number). If an award is not available, an upgrade is probably not available -- but if you notice any exceptions to this rule please share in the thread. You can also monitor G space using ExpertFlyer (see KLM section above).
  • Because G is the same code as Virgin Atlantic uses for award tickets, after you fly the tickets will register with Delta as having been awards and will not earn any miles. Watch your mileage earning carefully and you will likely have to call Delta and explain that it wasn't an award ticket but an upgrade from a paid coach ticket, and they will correct the mileage earning to be equivalent to what you would have earned on your original coach ticket.

Using upgrades on Virgin Australia

Valid on Delta-marketed, Virgin Australia-operated flights on published fares booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U class to Virgin Australia’s Business Class.

Using upgrades on Air France

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...20-onward.html

"For travel on Air France-operated flights marketed by Air France and booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class, customers can upgrade into A class (Premium Economy) or Z class (Business Class). For Air France-operated flights marketed by KLM, customers with a published fare booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class can upgrade into Z class (Business Class). For Air France-operated flights marketed by Delta, customers with a published fare booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class can upgrade into A class (Premium Economy) or Z class (Business Class). In addition, customers traveling on an Air France-marketed and operated flight and booked in W, S or A class as well as customers traveling on an Air France-operated, Delta-marketed flight and booked in P, A, or G class can upgrade to Z class (Business Class)"

NOTE: GUC usage on AF used to be restricted to high fare classes only. Phone agents may not be familiar with the new rules, and may need to be gently pointed in the direction of the DL T&C on their own website.

Using upgrades on Korean (restricted to certain fare classes only)

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...ed-thread.html

"Valid on Delta-marketed, Korean Air-operated flights for use globally on Delta's published fares booked in Y or B class to Korean Air's Z class, or booked in M class to Korean Air's O class."

GUC usage on Korean requires the purchase of high fare classes, which may mean that it is cheaper to buy a discounted business class ticket than to buy an eligible coach fare and try to upgrade. Uniquely, it is possible to use GUCs to upgrade from business to first on Korean, but only if you buy the most expensive business class fares.

Using upgrades on Aeromexico

"For travel on Aeromexico operated, Delta marketed flights this certificate may be used to upgrade on Delta`s published fares booked in W, Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class and all fare classes upgrade into Aeromexico`s O class."




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Old Oct 3, 2021, 5:41 pm
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When I was trying to use a GUC for a travel companion on the same flight as me (different reservations) Delta told me they would have to link the reservations and then apply the GUC to get companion's ticket reissued to Business. However they warned me that if I changed or cancelled my ticket, the system would detect this "mismatch" and the companion would not be able to check in. Instead, we would have to call Delta to reissue the ticket back to coach before he can check in.

Does anybody know if this is true? It seems like a very sophisticated system in place for a situation that probably doesn't happen on a daily basis.

If it is true, what would happen if my companion checked in and boarded the flight and I subsequently cancel my reservation 15 minutes prior to departure of the flight? Return flight doesn't mattet as this would not be upgraded.

Thanks a lot in advance. I am not trying to bend the rules, I just want to be sure my companion is upgraded even if I have to reschedule at the last minute and fly a day later or so.
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Originally Posted by David7
When I was trying to use a GUC for a travel companion on the same flight as me (different reservations) Delta told me they would have to link the reservations and then apply the GUC to get companion's ticket reissued to Business. However they warned me that if I changed or cancelled my ticket, the system would detect this "mismatch" and the companion would not be able to check in. Instead, we would have to call Delta to reissue the ticket back to coach before he can check in.

Does anybody know if this is true? It seems like a very sophisticated system in place for a situation that probably doesn't happen on a daily basis.

If it is true, what would happen if my companion checked in and boarded the flight and I subsequently cancel my reservation 15 minutes prior to departure of the flight? Return flight doesn't mattet as this would not be upgraded.

Thanks a lot in advance. I am not trying to bend the rules, I just want to be sure my companion is upgraded even if I have to reschedule at the last minute and fly a day later or so.
Bunch of BS is what agent fed you. Linking is nothing more than a notation. Even if you flew together, and had IRROPS the system wouldn't necessarily rebook you two on same flights.
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Old Oct 4, 2021, 7:22 am
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Originally Posted by David7
When I was trying to use a GUC for a travel companion on the same flight as me (different reservations) Delta told me they would have to link the reservations and then apply the GUC to get companion's ticket reissued to Business. However they warned me that if I changed or cancelled my ticket, the system would detect this "mismatch" and the companion would not be able to check in. Instead, we would have to call Delta to reissue the ticket back to coach before he can check in.

Does anybody know if this is true? It seems like a very sophisticated system in place for a situation that probably doesn't happen on a daily basis.

If it is true, what would happen if my companion checked in and boarded the flight and I subsequently cancel my reservation 15 minutes prior to departure of the flight? Return flight doesn't mattet as this would not be upgraded.

Thanks a lot in advance. I am not trying to bend the rules, I just want to be sure my companion is upgraded even if I have to reschedule at the last minute and fly a day later or so.
What the agent is describing is how you would think things would work based on reading the rules, so the agent is probably just making assumptions that Delta is smart enough to have programmed everything to work the way the rules would lead you to think. In practice, the system is probably not this smart. But, in general if you end up flying on a different flight from your companion, I would consider keeping the upgrade to become a "maybe," if that sways your decision about how to plan your own travel at all.
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Old Oct 4, 2021, 7:53 am
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I totally agree what the others have said. There is absolutely no automation or any evidence of it in the delta system. As it was said before, what the agent said is correct only and as far as the rules go. But there’s no automation to enforce it. Global upgrades always have been and continue to be an incredibly manual process. There’s nothing automated about them. Just issuing them alone takes involvement from a manual reissue specialist. If what the agent said was true, every schedule change would completely destroy hundreds of linked reservations when the rebooking it agent rebooked the two different tickets on different protection routings. There’s no way that that’s ever going to happen the way they currently handle upgrades. I even had a global upgrade recently where my companion was originating a different city. Per the rules my expectation was that they would be upgraded just only on the transatlantic segments where we flew together. In that case the agent who did the upgrade either wasn’t paying attention or didn’t know the rules and ended up upgrading them on their entire itinerary including the segments that didn’t match mine. Just further proof there’s no automation to enforce this. Complete hogwash.

There have been some incidents where people have experienced their companions being downgraded at the airport during a voluntary change. In these cases I think most of the time the agent manually enforced the rule and downgraded the passenger, and they generally only are aware of it because the two travellers are often times in the same reservation, not linked reservations. And with Delta moving most reissue functions to a specialized help desk, most airport agents don’t understand anything about upgrade rules. They are just trying to get people on the planes and out the doors so I think you’ll see even less of this than we saw in the past.
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Originally Posted by David7
I am not trying to bend the rules, I just want to be sure my companion is upgraded even if I have to reschedule at the last minute and fly a day later or so.
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Old Oct 6, 2021, 3:54 am
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KL662 IAH-AMS 01JAN22
2 HR 40 MIN LAYOVER
KL597 AMS-CPT 02JAN22

RETURN

KL598 CPT-AMS 18JAN22
23 HR 15 MIN LAYOVER
KL661 AMS-IAH 19JAN22


T fare for $1606 bought directly from KLM. Upgraded to Business immediately after purchase by calling DL DM line. Ticket of course reissued from KLM 074 stock to DL 006 stock. Only took DL agent about 15 minutes to create the DL PNR to process the upgrades.
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Old Oct 12, 2021, 4:13 pm
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CHS-ATL-AMS
CDG-JFK-ATL-CHS
All legs cleared immediately. Total call time on the DM line was under 11 minutes. Very smooth and easy process.
62,000 miles r/t for travel next spring. Cash rate for Main Cabin was a little over $1,000, so a decent redemption to have the GUCs clear right away.
The JFK connection is right at the MCT threshold, so I'm hoping a schedule change later on might put me in line for a better routing. Only took that routing back because GUC space was available.
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Old Oct 12, 2021, 4:41 pm
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DCA-JFK-LHR Nov 30
LHR-ATL-DCA Dec 15
Booked the RT in coach for 32,000 miles +$209 taxes and fees.
Called and got through immediately to an agent in the Minneapolis call center who processed the GUCs - all flights cleared. Total time about 10 minutes calling from the SEA SkyClub.
She was very thorough, even told me the GUC cert numbers that she was pulling.
Cash price for this trip would have been $5995.
Will still have to pay the UK luxury tax on the return.

This was a replacement for a trip booked a few weeks ago - basically same flights but the return moved up a few days - 7,000 miles cheaper. Prior trip was a weekend return, this one all flights are midweek.
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Old Oct 12, 2021, 4:59 pm
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Originally Posted by mot29
DCA-JFK-LHR Nov 30
LHR-ATL-DCA Dec 15
Booked the RT in coach for 32,000 miles +$209 taxes and fees.
Called and got through immediately to an agent in the Minneapolis call center who processed the GUCs - all flights cleared. Total time about 10 minutes calling from the SEA SkyClub.
She was very thorough, even told me the GUC cert numbers that she was pulling.
Cash price for this trip would have been $5995.
Will still have to pay the UK luxury tax on the return.

This was a replacement for a trip booked a few weeks ago - basically same flights but the return moved up a few days - 7,000 miles cheaper. Prior trip was a weekend return, this one all flights are midweek.
If you're going to continental Europe, catch a flight back into LHR (within 24hrs of scheduled departure) and can get Luxury Tax refunded.
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Z space on EF no good for KLM

I have a TATL ticket with two KLM operated segments on a DL ticket in Y. EF is showing Z2 on both segments (searching by OD with connection point in query). Calling DL they said GUC not available and also Z space is not what's needed for global upgrade so I'm looking at the wrong thing. Is this legit? Any point in EF then?
E.g. MUC-AMS-SFO, both KL operated.
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyBravo
I have a TATL ticket with two KLM operated segments on a DL ticket in Y. EF is showing Z2 on both segments (searching by OD with connection point in query). Calling DL they said GUC not available and also Z space is not what's needed for global upgrade so I'm looking at the wrong thing. Is this legit? Any point in EF then?
E.g. MUC-AMS-SFO, both KL operated.
Z us what is needed for AF/KL flights, and it must be on the AF/KL flight number. Agent obviously had no clue if said it wasn't. HUCA.

Here's the easiest thing (especially if there's DL metal flights involved) to make sure there's Z available on the AF/KL segments. Go to KLM com or open KLM app. Select book a new trip. Select RT, even if just looking for OW (pick a date two weeks out in this case as you won't get a OW Z fare). Select the dates and flights looking at. Select business as option. If it comes back as a Z fare you're good. This doesn't mean there's upgrade space for any DL segments, but does mean there's Z upgrade space available based on the AF/KL segments when married with the DL segments.
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KLM668 AUS-AMS 28MAR22
23.40 CONNECTION
KLM597 AMS-CPT 30MAR22

KLM598 CPT-AMS 15APR22
23.05 CONNECTION
KLM661 AMS-IAH 17APR22

Again, bought directly from KLM on 074 ticket. Agent on phone messed upgrades up. Chat support spent two hours with me getting everything fixed.

First departure of new AUS-AMS nonstop.
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Old Oct 16, 2021, 11:45 pm
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I just had success with a mixed KL/AF, open jaw itinerary for February 2022 bought directly from AF on a 057 ticket.

ATL-AMS KL624 B781
AMS-GVA KL931 B739
CDG-ATL AF688 A359

I started with Google Flights for dates, routes, and equipment (I’ve been wanting to fly KLM’s 787-10 and AirFrance’s 350-900), then confirmed Z class availability with the ExpertFlyer Flight Availability tool - each flight had Z(6) or Z(9), including AMS-GVA. I then used multi-segment search on both AF and KLM to confirm the routing for booking since KL and AF seemed to show different flights depending on connections and days. GVA-CDG threw off all pricing, plus we decided to stay in Paris for >24 hours, so I bought a separate miles ticket thru AF transferred MR to FB (way cheaper anyway).

AF showed the routing we wanted, so I redeemed my Choice Benefit, purchased the tickets through AF (added my wife’s and my SkyMiles number to each), then called the DL DM desk. On the first try (late Friday night EST) the agent called DL support then AF support, they saw the Z space, but weren’t able to get AF to release the ticket and told me to call back. I called back about 8 hours later (early Saturday morning EST) and got a much more seasoned agent and she knew exactly to check the Z space and get on the phone with AF immediately. About 30 minutes later it was all said and done. The flights showed up in our Delta app with KL and AF flight numbers in Z class, and we were able to select our seats!

Each KL/AF had a corresponding DL flight number when searching thru DL (but no GUC space thru DL, all had Z on AF/KL), not sure if that helped at all. It was really nice to be able to select seats through the FlyDelta app and not have to message/call. So hopefully the process is getting smoother as time goes on and more take advantage, but one definitely needs patience and time to search and stay on the phone.

Thanks for all the guides, answers and DPs around FT. Happy upgrading!
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Old Oct 17, 2021, 1:28 am
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Originally Posted by Stubbs4109
I just had success with a mixed KL/AF, open jaw itinerary for February 2022 bought directly from AF on a 057 ticket.

ATL-AMS KL624 B781
AMS-GVA KL931 B739
CDG-ATL AF688 A359

I started with Google Flights for dates, routes, and equipment (I’ve been wanting to fly KLM’s 787-10 and AirFrance’s 350-900), then confirmed Z class availability with the ExpertFlyer Flight Availability tool - each flight had Z(6) or Z(9), including AMS-GVA. I then used multi-segment search on both AF and KLM to confirm the routing for booking since KL and AF seemed to show different flights depending on connections and days. GVA-CDG threw off all pricing, plus we decided to stay in Paris for >24 hours, so I bought a separate miles ticket thru AF transferred MR to FB (way cheaper anyway).

AF showed the routing we wanted, so I redeemed my Choice Benefit, purchased the tickets through AF (added my wife’s and my SkyMiles number to each), then called the DL DM desk. On the first try (late Friday night EST) the agent called DL support then AF support, they saw the Z space, but weren’t able to get AF to release the ticket and told me to call back. I called back about 8 hours later (early Saturday morning EST) and got a much more seasoned agent and she knew exactly to check the Z space and get on the phone with AF immediately. About 30 minutes later it was all said and done. The flights showed up in our Delta app with KL and AF flight numbers in Z class, and we were able to select our seats!

Each KL/AF had a corresponding DL flight number when searching thru DL (but no GUC space thru DL, all had Z on AF/KL), not sure if that helped at all. It was really nice to be able to select seats through the FlyDelta app and not have to message/call. So hopefully the process is getting smoother as time goes on and more take advantage, but one definitely needs patience and time to search and stay on the phone.

Thanks for all the guides, answers and DPs around FT. Happy upgrading!
Yes Z must always be available on the AF/KL operating carrier code. However number of DL agents either search for O on AF/KL number, or look for Z on the DL number.
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Old Oct 17, 2021, 5:30 am
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Originally Posted by flyerCO
KLM668 AUS-AMS 28MAR22
23.40 CONNECTION
KLM597 AMS-CPT 30MAR22

KLM598 CPT-AMS 15APR22
23.05 CONNECTION
KLM661 AMS-IAH 17APR22

Again, bought directly from KLM on 074 ticket. Agent on phone messed upgrades up. First departure of new AUS-AMS nonstop.
This looks like a great trip! After the upgrades cleared, did your flight numbers change to DL#### or remained as KL####…?
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