Jan 13, 2014, 6:10 am
Last edit by: mnbp
As of May 1, 2014, Delta no longer provides status-based access to third party lounges (lounges operated neither by Delta nor by a SkyTeam partner) for passengers departing on a Delta-operated flight. Based on reports in this thread, this does not apply to passengers departing the airport they're in on a flight operated by a SkyTeam partner: all other SkyTeam partners continue to provide status-based access to third-party lounges to all SkyTeam Elite Plus members, including Delta elites. Access to third-party lounges is determined by the policy of the operating carrier of the flight departing the airport.
Nothing has changed for passengers flying in business or first class on Delta.
From the link provided in the OP:
SkyTeam Benefits
Third party-operated Lounges:
Latin America & the Caribbean:
Bogota, CO (BOG)
Caracas, VE (CCS)
Lima, PE (LIM)
Quito, EC (UIO)
Europe/Africa/Middle East:
Accra, GH (ACC)
Arlanda, SE (ARN)
Athens, GR (ATH)
Barcelona, ES (BCN)
Brussels, BE (BRU)
Copenhagen, DK (CPH)
Dakar, SN (DKR)
Dubaij, AE (DXB)
Dublin, IE (DUB)
Dusseldorf, DE (DUS)
Frankfurt, DE (FRA)
Lagos, NG (LOS)
Madrid, ES (MAD)
Malaga, ES (AGP)
Malpensa, IT (MXP)
Manchester, GB (MAN)
Moscow, RU (SVO)
Mumbai, IN (BOM)
Munich, DE (MUC)
Nice, FR (NCE)
Pisa, IT (PSA)
Roberts, LR (ROB)
Shannon, IE (SNN)
Tel Aviv, IL (TLV)
Zurich, CH (ZRH)
Asia Pacific:
Bangkok, TH (BKK)
Beijing, CN (PEK)
Fukuoka, JP (FUK)
Guam, GU (GUM)
Hong Kong, HK (HKG) access to VS (partner) lounge. This lounge IS available to STE+, despite VS not being a SkyTeam partner.
Nagoya, JP (NGO)
Osaka, JP (KIX)
Saipan, MP (SPN)
Shanghai, CN (PVG)
Singapore, SG (SIN)
Sydney, AU (SYD) (no longer relevant after opening of SkyTeam lounge in Dec 2014)
Tokyo (Haneda), JP (HND) DL promotion provides access to two TIAT lounges at HND through Oct 31, 2017. Promotion includes any SkyClub member traveling on any airline same-day flight, and all GM, PM and DM members traveling on any DL flight. Extension of Haneda Lounge Access Promotion
Nothing has changed for passengers flying in business or first class on Delta.
From the link provided in the OP:
SkyTeam Benefits
LOUNGE ACCESS
Effective May 1, 2014, all Delta third-party operated international lounges will become Business lounges. (6)
Effective May 1, 2014, all Delta third-party operated international lounges will become Business lounges. (6)
- On or after May 1, 2014, Delta SkyTeam Elite Plus passengers flying in the economy cabin will only have access to DL Sky Clubs and SkyTeam Lounges.
- Passengers must be traveling in Business Class to have access to Third Party Lounges.
Third party-operated Lounges:
Latin America & the Caribbean:
Bogota, CO (BOG)
Caracas, VE (CCS)
Lima, PE (LIM)
Quito, EC (UIO)
Europe/Africa/Middle East:
Accra, GH (ACC)
Arlanda, SE (ARN)
Athens, GR (ATH)
Barcelona, ES (BCN)
Brussels, BE (BRU)
Copenhagen, DK (CPH)
Dakar, SN (DKR)
Dubaij, AE (DXB)
Dublin, IE (DUB)
Dusseldorf, DE (DUS)
Frankfurt, DE (FRA)
Lagos, NG (LOS)
Madrid, ES (MAD)
Malaga, ES (AGP)
Malpensa, IT (MXP)
Manchester, GB (MAN)
Moscow, RU (SVO)
Mumbai, IN (BOM)
Munich, DE (MUC)
Nice, FR (NCE)
Pisa, IT (PSA)
Roberts, LR (ROB)
Shannon, IE (SNN)
Tel Aviv, IL (TLV)
Zurich, CH (ZRH)
Asia Pacific:
Bangkok, TH (BKK)
Beijing, CN (PEK)
Fukuoka, JP (FUK)
Guam, GU (GUM)
Hong Kong, HK (HKG) access to VS (partner) lounge. This lounge IS available to STE+, despite VS not being a SkyTeam partner.
Nagoya, JP (NGO)
Osaka, JP (KIX)
Saipan, MP (SPN)
Shanghai, CN (PVG)
Singapore, SG (SIN)
delta cutting access to many of the international lounges
Nov 19, 2014, 11:14 pm
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DL does fly to SIN on its own metal, but the lounge DL uses there is a contract lounge.
Nov 20, 2014, 7:55 am
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Nov 20, 2014, 9:10 pm
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Nov 21, 2014, 2:08 am
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I just flew DXB-ATL on coach as PM. Even though DXB is on the list of airports where coach passengers are no longer allowed access to partner lounges, regardless of status, I was granted access to the AF lounge. It all seemed routine -- the check-in agent simply stamped my ticket without my asking and told me I had access. It is a pretty sorry lounge (I used the EK lounge the week before as comparison), but still worth something.
Is anyone keeping a list of airports where the practice has remained as before, in spite of the new policy? I know at MXP they adhere to the new policy strictly (at least I struck out twice asking).
Maybe this is like the JFK-SEA no-courtesy-upgrade policy, which I also had DL violate on me in what seemed a routine way.
Is anyone keeping a list of airports where the practice has remained as before, in spite of the new policy? I know at MXP they adhere to the new policy strictly (at least I struck out twice asking).
Maybe this is like the JFK-SEA no-courtesy-upgrade policy, which I also had DL violate on me in what seemed a routine way.
Nov 21, 2014, 5:09 am
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I just flew DXB-ATL on coach as PM. Even though DXB is on the list of airports where coach passengers are no longer allowed access to partner lounges, regardless of status, I was granted access to the AF lounge. It all seemed routine -- the check-in agent simply stamped my ticket without my asking and told me I had access. It is a pretty sorry lounge (I used the EK lounge the week before as comparison), but still worth something.
Obviously, it's airports at which there is no Sky Team lounge at which this policy hurts most. But Delta likes to keep things confusing.
Nov 21, 2014, 7:10 am
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I believe that inclusion on that list means that there is a third party lounge that Elite+ members had access to before this policy. It does not mean that there isn't a Sky Team operated lounge. If there is a Sky Team operated lounge (as there is at DXB), Elite+ members get access when flying a Sky Team marketed and operated flight (including Delta), no matter what Delta says.
Obviously, it's airports at which there is no Sky Team lounge at which this policy hurts most. But Delta likes to keep things confusing.
Obviously, it's airports at which there is no Sky Team lounge at which this policy hurts most. But Delta likes to keep things confusing.
Nov 21, 2014, 7:21 am
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I see, but the lounge at MXP that I can longer get into is the exact same kind of lounge, an Alitalia lounge. I thought the new policy meant you were barred from any lounge in the listed airports, regardless of who operated the lounge. That is, if I'm flying Delta in coach through MXP I am not allowed in the Alitalia lounge anymore.
(Note that third party lounges often have logos for the airlines that use them for their passengers, but that doesn't mean they're the operating airline.)
Nov 21, 2014, 7:23 am
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I see, but the lounge at MXP that I can longer get into is the exact same kind of lounge, an Alitalia lounge. I thought the new policy meant you were barred from any lounge in the listed airports, regardless of who operated the lounge. That is, if I'm flying Delta in coach through MXP I am not allowed in the Alitalia lounge anymore.
If you are SkyTeam Elite Plus (DL SM Gold or higher), you will still be able to gain free access to any Alitalia lounge regardless of the class you're flying in (as long as you are flying on a SkyTeam ticket).
http://www.alitalia.com/en_en/Images...tcm17-1297.pdf
Nov 21, 2014, 10:34 am
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The SkyTeam rules regarding lounge access are still in force.
If you are SkyTeam Elite Plus (DL SM Gold or higher), you will still be able to gain free access to any Alitalia lounge regardless of the class you're flying in (as long as you are flying on a SkyTeam ticket).
http://www.alitalia.com/en_en/Images...tcm17-1297.pdf
If you are SkyTeam Elite Plus (DL SM Gold or higher), you will still be able to gain free access to any Alitalia lounge regardless of the class you're flying in (as long as you are flying on a SkyTeam ticket).
http://www.alitalia.com/en_en/Images...tcm17-1297.pdf
Nov 21, 2014, 10:36 am
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I don't know MXP, but according to the Skyteam Lounge finder, all the lounges in MXP are "Via Milano Club S.E.A. – Sala Pergolesi". Compare to FCO, where the lounges are described as "Alitalia". So I guess the MXP lounges aren't operated by Alitalia and are thus third party. Delta.com indicates that there's an Alitalia-operated lounge in the Schengen area.
(Note that third party lounges often have logos for the airlines that use them for their passengers, but that doesn't mean they're the operating airline.)
(Note that third party lounges often have logos for the airlines that use them for their passengers, but that doesn't mean they're the operating airline.)
Thanks for the link to the Skyteam Lounge Finder.
Nov 21, 2014, 10:55 am
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OK, so that explains my confusion. Thanks very much for clearing it up. I guess I need to add this to the list of nuances I need to take into account before making final booking choices, along with which miles count toward MQM and which don't.
Thanks for the link to the Skyteam Lounge Finder.
Thanks for the link to the Skyteam Lounge Finder.
Nov 25, 2014, 11:49 am
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On MU ticketed & operated flights in Y, I was given lounge access at HKG, PVG & ICN. Only HKG was a contract lounge, I believe.
Haven't had any issues getting into lounges operated by ST airlines when flying on DL... AF, KL, AZ, KE and MU have all granted me access without issue.
I was even able to get into a KE lounge at ICN while flying on an MU flight/ticket. MU lounge is right next to a KE one.
Haven't had any issues getting into lounges operated by ST airlines when flying on DL... AF, KL, AZ, KE and MU have all granted me access without issue.
I was even able to get into a KE lounge at ICN while flying on an MU flight/ticket. MU lounge is right next to a KE one.