What date will AS and DL announce that their partnership will end?
Aug 10, 2015, 8:44 am
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Are those using mileage examples above using actual flying miles or airline mileage miles? flights from lax to nrt take more than an hour longer on average than sea to nrt.
There are a few factors here. Extra time taxiing for takeoff burning fuel at LAX. And obeying ETOPS regulations. Delta advertises 11 hours for the one way flight from lax, while other competitors advertise 11:30-40. (AA,SG,UA). Conversely Delta advertises 10 hours from SEA and ANA 10:20. Either way those hours add up. Fuel & Crew costs.
There are a few factors here. Extra time taxiing for takeoff burning fuel at LAX. And obeying ETOPS regulations. Delta advertises 11 hours for the one way flight from lax, while other competitors advertise 11:30-40. (AA,SG,UA). Conversely Delta advertises 10 hours from SEA and ANA 10:20. Either way those hours add up. Fuel & Crew costs.
Aug 10, 2015, 8:52 am
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It's the only choice left for DL without encountering too much competition. Even then, Seattle isn't exactly 100% reliable, the embarrassing relinquishment of SEA-HND being proof of that. But it's still a better competitive choice than joining the fray at SFO or the bloodbath at LAX.
Aug 10, 2015, 10:38 am
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It's the only choice left for DL without encountering too much competition. Even then, Seattle isn't exactly 100% reliable, the embarrassing relinquishment of SEA-HND being proof of that. But it's still a better competitive choice than joining the fray at SFO or the bloodbath at LAX.
Aug 10, 2015, 11:02 am
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Wonder what the market is like in PDX vs SEA for O/D and connections? A quick look has the SEA MSA at 3.6mm people whereas the PDX MSA is 2.2mm. SEA also has a strong business landscape with many multi-national firms represented that PDX seems to lack.
Don't forget - Delta had a TPAC hub in PDX for a number of years.
http://upgrd.com/aerospace/de-portland.html IIRC, de-Portland was a term coined to represent CBP's frequency of denying admittance to the United States.
Don't forget - Delta had a TPAC hub in PDX for a number of years.
http://upgrd.com/aerospace/de-portland.html IIRC, de-Portland was a term coined to represent CBP's frequency of denying admittance to the United States.
Aug 10, 2015, 11:57 am
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Aug 10, 2015, 12:03 pm
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Looks like the problem with PDX is the "hinterland". Not many large international businesses in the PDX area, unlike SEA (Microsoft, Boeing, etc.).
Aug 10, 2015, 12:18 pm
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Additionally, the gate situation here isn't much better than Seattle with just 6 international gates and limited expansion possibilities due to the midfield terminal and crosswind runway.
Aug 10, 2015, 12:47 pm
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All factors taken together, though, there isn't any doubt to my mind that SFO was the optimal choice, but UA staked their claim and SEA is the next best option. AA is the one really left out.
Aug 10, 2015, 12:57 pm
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Not new news, but...
http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/n...-airlines.html
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Alaska Airlines (NYSE: ALK) took a step away from longtime-partner Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) Wednesday by announcing a new frequent-flyer pact with China’s Hainan Airlines.
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The new frequent flyer exchange adds a third way people can generate Alaska Airlines miles by flying to Asia aboard foreign carriers. Alaska members can also collect miles on flights from Seattle operated by Korean Air and Emirates.
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“This reduces Alaska’s dependence on Delta as a mileage partner,” Danishek said. “We assume that the Alaska-Delta mileage tie-up will eventually fail, perhaps pushed along by this.”
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http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/n...-airlines.html
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Alaska Airlines (NYSE: ALK) took a step away from longtime-partner Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) Wednesday by announcing a new frequent-flyer pact with China’s Hainan Airlines.
...
The new frequent flyer exchange adds a third way people can generate Alaska Airlines miles by flying to Asia aboard foreign carriers. Alaska members can also collect miles on flights from Seattle operated by Korean Air and Emirates.
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“This reduces Alaska’s dependence on Delta as a mileage partner,” Danishek said. “We assume that the Alaska-Delta mileage tie-up will eventually fail, perhaps pushed along by this.”
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Aug 10, 2015, 1:14 pm
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Not new news, but...
http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/n...-airlines.html
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Alaska Airlines (NYSE: ALK) took a step away from longtime-partner Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) Wednesday by announcing a new frequent-flyer pact with China’s Hainan Airlines.
...
The new frequent flyer exchange adds a third way people can generate Alaska Airlines miles by flying to Asia aboard foreign carriers. Alaska members can also collect miles on flights from Seattle operated by Korean Air and Emirates.
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“This reduces Alaska’s dependence on Delta as a mileage partner,” Danishek said. “We assume that the Alaska-Delta mileage tie-up will eventually fail, perhaps pushed along by this.”
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http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/n...-airlines.html
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Alaska Airlines (NYSE: ALK) took a step away from longtime-partner Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL) Wednesday by announcing a new frequent-flyer pact with China’s Hainan Airlines.
...
The new frequent flyer exchange adds a third way people can generate Alaska Airlines miles by flying to Asia aboard foreign carriers. Alaska members can also collect miles on flights from Seattle operated by Korean Air and Emirates.
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“This reduces Alaska’s dependence on Delta as a mileage partner,” Danishek said. “We assume that the Alaska-Delta mileage tie-up will eventually fail, perhaps pushed along by this.”
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I really think the second that the contract is done, AS and DL both want out.
Aug 10, 2015, 4:02 pm
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Oct 17, 2015, 12:17 pm
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That is simply not true. I worked there for 5+ years and not once did a single person I know do Europe or Asia in economy regardless of whether it was an analyst or a VP
Oct 17, 2015, 12:19 pm
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By all accounts, both sides continue to make money off it. Don't see why it would end.