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ClipperDelta Jan 31, 2013 2:24 pm


Originally Posted by Cloudship (Post 20161227)
DL Private Jets gives their members Platinum status automatically. .

No, members get Diamond Medallion status automatically.

ELAL Jan 31, 2013 3:35 pm

Sorry for jumping in this thread and going off topic, I dared to do so as my question fits in with the titel of the thread, and is a simple basic question.

Am a silver medalion and didn't re-qualify last year. My card is valid untill 02/13, does that mean that if I reach the needed points untill the end of 02/13 that I can still requalify for silver?

FrankLA Jan 31, 2013 3:40 pm


Originally Posted by ELAL (Post 20162068)
Sorry for jumping in this thread and going off topic, I dared to do so as my question fits in with the titel of the thread, and is a simple basic question.

Am a silver medalion and didn't re-qualify last year. My card is valid untill 02/13, does that mean that if I reach the needed points untill the end of 02/13 that I can still requalify for silver?

No the miles needed for Silver till 02/14 ended 12/12

Sez_Who Jan 31, 2013 4:17 pm


Originally Posted by ELAL (Post 20162068)
Am a silver medalion and didn't re-qualify last year. My card is valid untill 02/13, does that mean that if I reach the needed points untill the end of 02/13 that I can still requalify for silver?

Just to clarify, you have your Silver status until the end of 02/13. Delta won't take that away from you but you have no rollover from 2012.

To earn new status for the year beginning 03/13, you will need to meet the MQM/seg requirements and the date for that qualification began on 01/01/13. If you fly enough between the beginning of this calendar year and the first day of March this year, then you will be able to continue your Silver status uninterrupted. Otherwise, you will lose your Silver status until such time as you meet the minimum requirements sometime in 2013.

Bond1600 Jan 31, 2013 8:30 pm

Could DLETA be next ?
 
Found this on the WEB.. (Yahoo--Finance)

(Reuters) - A federal judge on Thursday rejected United Continental Holdings Inc's (UAL) attempt to throw out a lawsuit accusing the world's largest carrier of taking benefits away from some of its most loyal fliers.

The lawsuit filed last May by Chicago resident and United customer George Lagen accused the carrier formed from the 2010 merger of United Airlines and Continental Airlines of reducing perks for MileagePlus customers with "Million Miler" status.

Lagen, who claimed to fly between 200,000 and 250,000 miles per year, said United revoked Million Milers' "Lifetime Premier Executive" status, which entitled them to favored treatment in bookings, seating priority and upgrades, and demoted them to lower-tier "Gold" status.

He also claimed that Million Milers saw the bonuses on miles they flew cut to 50 percent from 100 percent. Lagen sought class-action status on behalf of other Million Milers.

United countered that Lagen lacked legal standing to sue, and that it had the right to modify the frequent flier program.

U.S. District Judge Harry Leinenweber in Chicago said Lagen may pursue his breach of contract claim, although other parts of the case were dismissed.

"It is undeniable that plaintiff claims he has and continues to suffer an injury based upon his lost benefits," Leinenweber wrote. "At this stage of the litigation, the court finds it plausible that defendants had a contract with Million Miler members which differed from the contract they had with other Mileage Plus members."

United did not immediately respond to a request for comment. David Latham, a lawyer for Lagen, did not immediately respond to a similar request.

Frequent-flier programs help carriers attract repeat customers, but the airline industry has over the years tightened program guidelines amid higher costs for such things as labor and fuel, and growing competition from lower-cost carriers.

In a separate case, the U.S. Supreme Court is expected as soon as mid-February to consider whether to accept an appeal by Delta Air Lines Inc (DAL) concerning that carrier's authority to revoke membership in one of its own frequent-flier programs.

The case is Lagen v. United Continental Holdings Inc et al, U.S. District Court, Northern District of Illinois, No. 12-04056.

(Reporting by Jonathan Stempel in Washington, D.C.)

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/united...3Rpb25z;_ylv=3

HongKonger Jan 31, 2013 8:59 pm


Originally Posted by Bond1600 (Post 20163532)
Found this on the WEB.. (Yahoo--Finance)

(Reuters) - A federal judge on Thursday rejected United Continental Holdings Inc's (UAL) attempt to throw out a lawsuit accusing the world's largest carrier of taking benefits away from some of its most loyal fliers.

The lawsuit filed last May by Chicago resident and United customer George Lagen accused the carrier formed from the 2010 merger of United Airlines and Continental Airlines of reducing perks for MileagePlus customers with "Million Miler" status.

Lagen, who claimed to fly between 200,000 and 250,000 miles per year, said United revoked Million Milers' "Lifetime Premier Executive" status, which entitled them to favored treatment in bookings, seating priority and upgrades, and demoted them to lower-tier "Gold" status.

He also claimed that Million Milers saw the bonuses on miles they flew cut to 50 percent from 100 percent. Lagen sought class-action status on behalf of other Million Milers.

United countered that Lagen lacked legal standing to sue, and that it had the right to modify the frequent flier program.

U.S. District Judge Harry Leinenweber in Chicago said Lagen may pursue his breach of contract claim, although other parts of the case were dismissed.

"It is undeniable that plaintiff claims he has and continues to suffer an injury based upon his lost benefits," Leinenweber wrote. "At this stage of the litigation, the court finds it plausible that defendants had a contract with Million Miler members which differed from the contract they had with other Mileage Plus members."

United did not immediately respond to a request for comment. David Latham, a lawyer for Lagen, did not immediately respond to a similar request.

Frequent-flier programs help carriers attract repeat customers, but the airline industry has over the years tightened program guidelines amid higher costs for such things as labor and fuel, and growing competition from lower-cost carriers.

In a separate case, the U.S. Supreme Court is expected as soon as mid-February to consider whether to accept an appeal by Delta Air Lines Inc (DAL) concerning that carrier's authority to revoke membership in one of its own frequent-flier programs.

The case is Lagen v. United Continental Holdings Inc et al, U.S. District Court, Northern District of Illinois, No. 12-04056.

(Reporting by Jonathan Stempel in Washington, D.C.)

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/united...3Rpb25z;_ylv=3

Hopefully that shuts up those on the DL forum who repeatedly say it is OBVIOUSLY IMPOSSIBLE to ever bring a successful suit for this sort of thing. Contracts normally can't be unilaterally modified retroactively.

StayingHomeIsBetter Jan 31, 2013 9:37 pm


Originally Posted by HongKonger (Post 20163666)
Hopefully that shuts up those on the DL forum who repeatedly say it is OBVIOUSLY IMPOSSIBLE to ever bring a successful suit for this sort of thing. Contracts normally can't be unilaterally modified retroactively.

How many airlines do you suppose will file amicus briefs?

Sez_Who Jan 31, 2013 10:29 pm


Originally Posted by HongKonger (Post 20163666)
Hopefully that shuts up those on the DL forum who repeatedly say it is OBVIOUSLY IMPOSSIBLE to ever bring a successful suit for this sort of thing. Contracts normally can't be unilaterally modified retroactively.

[1] The judge left open the possibility of class action.

[2] The UA case does not yet have a resolution.

[3] This has nothing to do with this thread but if you are curious, you can see the discussion at

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...13-update.html

LegalTender Feb 1, 2013 5:54 am


Originally Posted by Sez_Who (Post 20163980)
[1] The judge left open the possibility of class action.

[2] The UA case does not yet have a resolution.

[3] This has nothing to do with this thread but if you are curious, you can see the discussion at

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...13-update.html

The case apparently proceeds to clear up whether "a contract with Million Miler members which differed from the contract they had with other Mileage Plus members" allows a damage claim. Terms and conditions aren't necessarily transferable. Compensation for bonus miles taken away by program integration could be one of many outcomes.

LegalTender Feb 1, 2013 6:26 am


Originally Posted by hazelrah (Post 20155694)
What would you say about a company that gives you a price quote, and when you agree and go to purchase they say, "I'm sorry that price quote I gave you is not valid"?

It's probably covered by fine print, but does inform the debate on an airline doctoring its FFP rules.

They own the accrued miles. They can zero them out at their discretion.

But airlines cannot represent rates and pricing in a way that confuses buyers. DOT fines typically follow.

I shouldn't be surprised if a claim for lost FF privileges on a "deceptive advertising" basis one day prevails over an airline's right to grant or withdraw the privileges at will.

Xeno Feb 1, 2013 5:23 pm

After buying a ticket to SVO today, I realized that part of my strategy to make DM for 2015 is to pile up the MQMs to rollover into 2014 since I am more worried about MQMs - with the loss of the M fare bonus - than MQDs.

On a related note, I could not buy the M fare today due to lack of Z (or O) inventory and went with an S fare since it came in less than a split S/B ticket (which could not have been upgraded on the return in any event).

cptlflyer Feb 1, 2013 6:04 pm


Originally Posted by coinboy66 (Post 20154704)
You didn't say that. I wrongfully assumed: obviously you are in the boat of people who would support Ford's decision. You can't have it both ways: Either the bottom line is the most important thing and you support Ford's decision, or the bottom line is NOT the most important thing and people rightfully feel bad that Delta only seems to value money. Which is it?

Wow, it must be nice to live in a world that's THAT simple...

Dieuwer Feb 1, 2013 8:09 pm


Originally Posted by Ysitincoach (Post 20150122)
...as I'd rather see them bolt and don't want to have to compete with 20-30 DMs and PMs with high fares for valuable complimentary upgrades.

You won't. But you WILL compete with FCM Kettle-style:

T-40, Gate Agent: "Ladies and Gentlement, we have one F-upgrade for sale, $200 only"!
Kettle: no thanks
T-35, Gate Agent: "We have still one F-upgrade for sale, $150 only"!
Kettles: no thanks
T-30, Gate Agent: "we have still one F-upgrade for sale, YOUR LAST CHANCE. $100 only".
Kettle: OK!

Tupolev2006 Feb 1, 2013 8:42 pm

EXACTLY!
 

Originally Posted by dieuwer2 (Post 20169894)
You won't. But you WILL compete with FCM Kettle-style:

T-40, Gate Agent: "Ladies and Gentlement, we have one F-upgrade for sale, $200 only"!
Kettle: no thanks
T-35, Gate Agent: "We have still one F-upgrade for sale, $150 only"!
Kettles: no thanks
T-30, Gate Agent: "we have still one F-upgrade for sale, YOUR LAST CHANCE. $100 only".
Kettle: OK!

That is EXACTLY where we are headed. Furthermore, I can't understand the reasoning by DM that any PM or GM concern for "MQD" is totally unwarranted. Either way the DM will still get their way regardless of "MQD"'s.

StayingHomeIsBetter Feb 1, 2013 8:42 pm


Originally Posted by dieuwer2 (Post 20169894)
You won't. But you WILL compete with FCM Kettle-style:

T-40, Gate Agent: "Ladies and Gentlement, we have one F-upgrade for sale, $200 only"!
Kettle: no thanks
T-35, Gate Agent: "We have still one F-upgrade for sale, $150 only"!
Kettles: no thanks
T-30, Gate Agent: "we have still one F-upgrade for sale, YOUR LAST CHANCE. $100 only".
Kettle: OK!

While I have a hearty disdain for FCM in its more egregious manifestations (as in holding back 24 of 26 seats at the DM window), I suspect that what you saw was not FCM.

If the GA was selling UGs, then all elites should have been already accommodated.

If you have reason to believe they had not, then that would be a significant matter.


BTW, I cringe every time I see the term "kettle" used. It brings to mind the term "supercilious."


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