Go Back  FlyerTalk Forums > Miles&Points > Airlines and Mileage Programs > Delta Air Lines | SkyMiles
Reload this Page >

A disappointing experience - or a reflection of how things are?

Community
Wiki Posts
Search

A disappointing experience - or a reflection of how things are?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 4, 2012 | 4:35 pm
  #61  
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: LAX, SFO
Programs: Delta GM, Lifetime Marriott Platinum, Avis Preferred
Posts: 1,634
Originally Posted by jjdub86
Don't shoot the new poster, but for future reference would someone kindly explain the acronym DYKWIA? Thanks!
Bang! Bang! Seriously, though,Welcome to FT. I think the poster above me already explained it.
waltinsocal is offline  
Old Apr 4, 2012 | 4:39 pm
  #62  
10 Countries Visited
20 Countries Visited
30 Countries Visited
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: West of CLE
Programs: Delta DM/3 MM; Hertz PC; National EE; Amtrak GR; Bonvoy Silver; Via Rail Prfrence
Posts: 5,723
One unpleasantness I've noticed over the years on international flights is how confrontational certain FAs can be with Y pax standing up near the curtain. I once had a row 15 seat (first row of coach); I put my carry-on in the bin overhead the pilot rest seat, and a male FA rousted me when I got up to get something out of the bag mid-flight. I've occasionally seen them harrass others sitting near the curtain that they surmise might be trying to invade BE. They never seem to harrass pax on domestic flights in Y coming up to use the forward lav.
ND76 is offline  
Old Apr 4, 2012 | 4:42 pm
  #63  
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Long Beach, CA
Programs: DL DM
Posts: 5,292
I could be wrong, but isn't it a Federal law that you stay in your ticketed cabin on International flights?
bubbashow is offline  
Old Apr 4, 2012 | 4:45 pm
  #64  
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Southern California
Programs: DL DM, EY Plat, MM Senator
Posts: 493
Originally Posted by bubbashow
I could be wrong, but isn't it a Federal law that you stay in your ticketed cabin on International flights?
Yes, you are wrong. There is no such Federal law.
glbetrotter is offline  
Old Apr 4, 2012 | 4:49 pm
  #65  
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
40 Countries Visited
60 Nights
5M
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis: DL DM charter 2.3MM
Programs: A3*Gold, SPG Plat, HyattDiamond, MarriottPP, LHW exAccess, ICI, Raffles Amb, NW PE MM, TWA Gold MM
Posts: 102,617
Originally Posted by glbetrotter
Yes, you are wrong. There is no such Federal law.
However, it is a rule on most carriers.
MSPeconomist is offline  
Old Apr 4, 2012 | 4:51 pm
  #66  
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Long Beach, CA
Programs: DL DM
Posts: 5,292
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
However, it is a rule on most carriers.
I remember NW enforcing it (militantly) a few years ago when my group was split between Y and J DTWNRT.
bubbashow is offline  
Old Apr 4, 2012 | 4:53 pm
  #67  
In memoriam, FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: PIT
Programs: DM life is over 2MM PM now & NW MillionAir Wyndham Rewards Plat -Hotels.com Silver -Accor Silver
Posts: 15,407
Originally Posted by ND76
One unpleasantness I've noticed over the years on international flights is how confrontational certain FAs can be with Y pax standing up near the curtain.
I was flying TATL, I thnk, and I was standing all the way in the back, hoping to ask for a soft drink. I was standing just off the carpeted aisle on the ruberrized floor which runs from the galley to the lav. A couple of FAs were eating, and a very senior FA looked at me and said - - You're not allowed to stand off of the carpeted area. HUH??? I was SHOCKED!! Any other FA I have ever told this to, was always equally shocked!

I have always had great chats with FAs way in the back! . . . . . awaiting a fun reply from TH!
davetravels is offline  
Old Apr 4, 2012 | 4:54 pm
  #68  
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Southern California
Programs: DL DM, EY Plat, MM Senator
Posts: 493
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
However, it is a rule on most carriers.
There is a big difference between rules and laws. Rules can be bent and broken without any real consequences whereas the laws cannot be (at least in theory).

Apparently Delta does not mind having BE passengers going to the Y cabin, but the opposite is not OK.
glbetrotter is offline  
Old Apr 4, 2012 | 4:56 pm
  #69  
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Long Beach, CA
Programs: DL DM
Posts: 5,292
Originally Posted by glbetrotter
There is a big difference between rules and laws. Rules can be bent and broken without any real consequences whereas the laws cannot be (at least in theory).

Apparently Delta does not mind having BE passengers going to the Y cabin, but the opposite is not OK.
With BE tickets costing 10X (+) coach tickets, I think that is a reasonable rule for Dl to enforce.
bubbashow is offline  
Old Apr 4, 2012 | 5:00 pm
  #70  
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Southern California
Programs: DL DM, EY Plat, MM Senator
Posts: 493
Originally Posted by bubbashow
With BE tickets costing 10X (+) coach tickets, I think that is a reasonable rule for Dl to enforce.
Really? Why should BE passengers inconvenience Y pax and crowd the already tight Y quarters? Shouldn't it be beneath the BE pax to mingle with the "masses"?

(a rhetorical question, don't bother to answer. I know your views from your recent posts).
glbetrotter is offline  
Old Apr 4, 2012 | 5:04 pm
  #71  
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Southern California
Programs: DL DM, EY Plat, MM Senator
Posts: 493
Originally Posted by bubbashow
"honey, we don't need to buy BE for the other two tickets. I am Diamond....they will probably just let me up there if it is an empty flight and they see we have kids."

If I was in paid BE and saw this, it would annoy the living hell out of me.
Oh, bubba, that's just low!

But good to know how to annoy the living hell out of you! I will be using DTW more often soon ...
glbetrotter is offline  
Old Apr 4, 2012 | 5:06 pm
  #72  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
10 Countries Visited
All eyes on you!
10 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Brighton. UK
Programs: BA Gold / VS /IHG Diamond & Ambassador
Posts: 14,979
The Purser on the DL flight from LHR to JFK I took last yeat used the phrase 'respect the curtain' at least 3 times during his 'welcome' message.

I was in BE so never needed to diss the curtain!
UKtravelbear is offline  
Old Apr 4, 2012 | 5:12 pm
  #73  
1M
40 Countries Visited
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SYD
Programs: |QF LTG|DL Gold|
Posts: 1,784
The behaviour of the FA was poor, sorry to hear the children were sick and kudos for your help with the sick passenger but this bears repeating over and over again:

Originally Posted by N808DE
If families can not be separated without checking on each other then they should purchase seats together.
You're already more likely to disturb other passengers when traveling with young children, but for the sake of everyone else on the plane don't spread the disturbance across two cabins. Get four seats in J, or ask for a row of 4 Y seats right at the back of the economy cabin.

Someone posted that this would not have happened on an SQ or a CX. Which is why in my experience on Asian carriers, the number of times on night flights the flight crew did exactly what the OP requested and everyone around the PAX in either cabin is kept awake by the shuffling up and down the aisles, agitated whispering in hushed tones, bumping of seats etc etc. Just when you think they're finally sorted out in the business cabin and you are about to fall asleep again, they pop back into economy and thrash around in the overhead bins and hand luggage for some other emergency item and wake everyone in their vicinity again.

There's a reason Malaysia Airlines is banning kids from First Class and introducing a kid-free zone on their A380.
Supersonic Swinger is offline  
Old Apr 4, 2012 | 5:13 pm
  #74  
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Long Beach, CA
Programs: DL DM
Posts: 5,292
Originally Posted by glbetrotter
Oh, bubba, that's just low!

But good to know how to annoy the living hell out of you! I will be using DTW more often soon ...
I'm sure everyone else on board will be appreciative of the ruckus moving back and forth between cabins. Will baby vomit be included as well? Nothing says class like annoying your fellow travelers.
bubbashow is offline  
Old Apr 4, 2012 | 5:51 pm
  #75  
10 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: SAV
Programs: Atlanta's hometown airline. A bunch of hotel programs. PetSmart PetPerks.
Posts: 2,531
Originally Posted by ND76
One unpleasantness I've noticed over the years on international flights is how confrontational certain FAs can be with Y pax standing up near the curtain. I once had a row 15 seat (first row of coach); I put my carry-on in the bin overhead the pilot rest seat, and a male FA rousted me when I got up to get something out of the bag mid-flight. I've occasionally seen them harrass others sitting near the curtain that they surmise might be trying to invade BE. They never seem to harrass pax on domestic flights in Y coming up to use the forward lav.
Bolding mine - I've seen both BE FAs & pilots give the person seated next to the rest seat a tutorial in what to do/not do regarding the seat (don't put your stuff there, don't take the pillow/quilt, THIS is your control, THIS is for the pilot, etc). So in addition to you crossing the magic curtain, perhaps there was extra sensitivity around potentially disturbing the rest seat?

Though I've had the opposite - once seated 1B in TATL BE I got up to use the lav, the FA said...'he's been in there a LONG time, you may want to use the one in the rear' which I proceeded to do. Though it involved crossing a curtain that separated BE from Y on that side, to cross the BE aft galley to the other BE lav...an FA said "Are you supposed to be here?" to which I replied, "the purser strongly recommended I not use the forward lav."
PRWeezer is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.