motytrah

Generally speaking it's a "Contempt of Crew" "Crime". Google Marilyn Parver JetBlue. However the FAR would only apply on the plane.

Pryde987

Three years ago when I was just starting out in my line of work, I flew AA and ORD had crazy weather per usual. I lived between MKE and ORD, so I wanted to just take a bus and not burn 5 hours waiting for my delayed flight (that might just get canceled anyway). Long story short, I was given three different answers by three separate GAs on how to reschedule and eventually I just pleaded "please, I just want a voucher for the bus." I sympathized with the GAs as the environment was tough for them, I was polite, and I mentally noted the names of the GAs. They wouldn't put me on the bus, so I just called a friend to come pick me up. He was kind enough-- in the snow-- to do so.

I went home and wrote AA, citing my frustration with the inconsistent answers as my major point. I gave names. I then also noted that the bus cost $26, and while it's a small amount, I should not have to pay it. I also noted the inconvenience my friend experienced in picking me up. Sure, they refunded the unused portion of my ticket (to the company), but no apologies.

I decided that I wouldn't use AA again. Over the next 12 months, I probably flew 20,000 miles. I scanned every ticket and emailed their customer service, attaching the images and referencing the old ticket number. I said how an apology would've sufficed, but I would no longer fly them because of the poor experience I had. The CS rep basically wrote back "ok, this is all your choice." Thanks for reinforcing my decision, AA.

I've since made Premier on United twice, Sliver Medallion on Delta once, and I'll make Premier Exec on United this year while also flying 20,000 miles on Delta. American probably would've seen most of that action; I've certainly flown more expensive, less convenient tickets just to avoid them.

Tell Delta to "eat ...." and never look back. If you feel like you got a raw deal, fly someone else.

udontknowme

And that's why I'm asking. His unexplained statement sounds more like a threat than advice.

jimrpa

At a minimum, I would question your ethics if you go around serrupticiously snapping pictures of total strangers.

I've no idea what you mean when you say "if you were in my seat..." as a general rule, I only sit where my boarding card indicates until after the door closes. Even then, I ask an FA before I change seats. If YOU believe a duplicate seat assignment has bee made, just raise the issue to an agent or FA, and be prepared to produce the appropriate documentation. There's no reason to go skulking aound, sneaking pictures of strangers"

Finally, just who made YOU the sole arbiter of "facts" involving a stranger and the airline?

PTravel

Why? What is unethical about candid photography? I've been doing it for 50 years -- and you say I'm unethical?

sethb

You may question my ethics all you wish. See if you can catch me caring.

I used "my seat" to refer to the one my original boarding pass stated, the one that I (hypothetically) paid (miles) for. If the GA improperly took it from me to give you, then your identity might help the airline determine the reason.

There was no duplication of seat assignments because the GA took the OP's original boarding pass. Haven't you read this thread, or even its title?

And I don't claim to be the arbiter of facts involving others, I claim to be able to observe facts when I'm involved, and to be able to state those facts as I choose.

fttc

This is similar to someone who unknowingly bought stolen goods, assuming s/he was not an accomplice to start with. I don't think declaration of privacy will really help much in this case.

exwannabe

Given the quite real possibility that the seat occupant is a FAM, you could well spend 6 hours or so with the TSA.

I am not making any statement about how absurd the security theater can be, but it is what it is.

DaDaDan

As the facts show, in the end, everyone recognized she did not commit a crime. In fact, she probably has several causes of action against a number of parties in that incident.

DaDaDan

While it may be socially unacceptable to take photos of random people, especially if you do it quite obviously, it is clearly not illegal. That's why celebrities have to put up with the paparazzi.

jimrpa

It depends on the intent and context. Are you going around, surreptitiously photographing specific individuals you believe have wronged you, or participated in a perceived wrong against you, with the intent of publishing their image and your view? Then, yep, I'd consider it unethical and downright creepy. Barely a cut above upskirt photogs to be honest.

On the other hand, if you're going around snapping, for example, street scenes that include people, without the deliberate intent of photographing a given individual and your judgement of what you believe the individual's actions to be, then I don't have a problem with it. Goodness knows I've spent enough time at tourist destinations that I'm sure I'm in a bunch of different family vacation snaps without my knowledge!

jimrpa

Thank you. I will no longer question your ethics. I completely understand you now. Definitely not the class of person I care to know or associate with.

BamaGirl

Out of curiosity, where does the 'Gate Lice' thread fall then ?

jimrpa

A few points. First, you are correct, it is not illegal to photograph people (there are some exceptions, but they don't fit this scenario). I never made a statement about the legality of photographing people. I did question the ethics of a specific situation. If I take a picture of you, then publish that picture with my speculation of some perceived wrong I believe you might have committed against me, I think my behavior would be ethically questionable.

jimrpa

I don't follow. I made no comments about stolen goods or an expectation of privacy. I was speaking of someone surreptitiously photographing me with the intent of accusing me of participating in some wrong against them.