SkyMilesInsider update: Sky Priority is HERE…
#1141
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: BWI
Programs: HHonors Diamond, SPG Gold
Posts: 768
#1142
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: LGA/JFK
Programs: Delta DM, HHonors Diamond, Marriott Gold, Starwood Gold, Hertz President's Circle, AVIS First
Posts: 248
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Sorry, that is not the way it was. Until SkyPriority, Zone 1 was only first class, not silver, not gold, not platinum.
And this is how it should be (in my opinion). I don't care so much how they do the various elite classes after boarding first class, but FC should go first.^
Thank you Delta for putting this back right.
And this is how it should be (in my opinion). I don't care so much how they do the various elite classes after boarding first class, but FC should go first.^
Thank you Delta for putting this back right.
#1143
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: MSP - NW Silver
Posts: 2,450
The hard changes have not made a huge difference to GMs/PMs/DM (with the exception of the drink coupon---not sure what the status on that is now), but SkyPriority I'm sure has made the GM+ group feel just that much more special. Is it worth making this group feel better at the expense of FOs? I don't have access to DL data on Medallion ranks and revenue, so I couldn't say, but DL obviously feels any perceived devaluation to FO will be offset by the perceived increase in value to GM+.
This is off topic a bit, but for a lot of us in MSP, the switch to delta has been a cluster in its entirety. It's not just this, there's so many things that we're unhappy about, and this might be the straw that breaks the camel's back for some of us FO/SEs.
#1144
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Minneapolis
Programs: Delta Gold
Posts: 622
The merger has been a huge downgrade for silver elites: no more elite phone line, charges to change your flight on the same day, downgraded check-in and security, new higher charges on booking award tickets. I consistently fly 30K a year for business and now have very little incentive to fly Delta exclusively, especially with the rise in ticket prices out of MSP and new lack of usability in the online booking tools.
#1145
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: LEX
Programs: Delta Reserve - PM
Posts: 1,143
The merger has been a huge downgrade for silver elites: no more elite phone line, charges to change your flight on the same day, downgraded check-in and security, new higher charges on booking award tickets. I consistently fly 30K a year for business and now have very little incentive to fly Delta exclusively, especially with the rise in ticket prices out of MSP and new lack of usability in the online booking tools.
#1146
In Memoriam
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: NYC
Programs: DL DM, UA, AA, SPG Gold, Marriott, HH, Fairmont, NYSC (Passport), 24hrFitness-Super Sport
Posts: 2,197
The merger has been a huge downgrade for silver elites: no more elite phone line, charges to change your flight on the same day, downgraded check-in and security, new higher charges on booking award tickets. I consistently fly 30K a year for business and now have very little incentive to fly Delta exclusively, especially with the rise in ticket prices out of MSP and new lack of usability in the online booking tools.
#1147
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Minneapolis
Programs: Delta Gold
Posts: 622
You're also a Delta Reserve member, for which fees are waived. The fees of $75/$100/$150 for award tickets less than 21 days out still seem new and shocking to me, as do the redeposit fees.
WorldPerks Silver Elite used to get a 50% mileage bonus instead of a 25% also, but I can't remember when that changed, whether it was pre- or post-merger. Coupled with the higher redemption values (e.g., 60,000 vs 40,000 miles for a transatlantic flight), "free" flights cost a lot more.
WorldPerks Silver Elite used to get a 50% mileage bonus instead of a 25% also, but I can't remember when that changed, whether it was pre- or post-merger. Coupled with the higher redemption values (e.g., 60,000 vs 40,000 miles for a transatlantic flight), "free" flights cost a lot more.
#1148
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Minneapolis
Programs: Delta Gold
Posts: 622
#1149
Join Date: Sep 2007
Programs: Delta Platinum Medallion, Hilton Honors Gold
Posts: 68
I think the dilemma for mid-level FOs such as myself (have been GM and PM in the past, still fly about 30-35K MQMs a year) is that we feel DL has broken the "social contract" with us. This makes DL less trustworthy in the future. Sure, it's possible for me to reach GM this year with a few mileage runs or an extra European trip, but then I wonder, next year will DL target the GMs with a midyear benefit dilution/reduction as they did to the FOs this year? Imagine if this time next year, DL deems that henceforth only PM/DM/FC will receive SP benefits.
Also, by barely reaching GM with no rollover miles left at the end of the year, it will become that much harder to re-qualify next year.
Or do I just trudge along as a FO, booking cheap flights on DL and booking elsewhere when necessary (unlike in the past when I would book everything on DL even if I had to pay a significantly higher fare), rolling over 15K which makes re-qualification next year as a FO a snap, and hope that DL doesn't further degrade the FO level in the future?
Or do I take my business elsewhere entirely?
These are questions with no good answers, if one no longer trusts DL to consistently reward Elite level flyers as they have in the past.
Also, by barely reaching GM with no rollover miles left at the end of the year, it will become that much harder to re-qualify next year.
Or do I just trudge along as a FO, booking cheap flights on DL and booking elsewhere when necessary (unlike in the past when I would book everything on DL even if I had to pay a significantly higher fare), rolling over 15K which makes re-qualification next year as a FO a snap, and hope that DL doesn't further degrade the FO level in the future?
Or do I take my business elsewhere entirely?
These are questions with no good answers, if one no longer trusts DL to consistently reward Elite level flyers as they have in the past.
I am a SM, fly about 35-40K year, just flew five legs over the past few days.
Check-in at MSP- SMs have separate line from SP, clearly marked. Line was short- no problems for me, but there could be in the future.
SMs not allowed to use SP carpet- fine, whatever. I loaded with Zone 2 when not upgraded and Zone 1 when upgraded. Worked fine but I had a small bag.
The announcement specifically thanking Diamond, Plat, GM, and excluding SM, was heard on all of my 5 flights. Honestly, I just find it tacky. Why explicitly exclude SMs?
My biggest complaint is the $50 SDC for SM. SM should be able to standby for free, at the very least. But that isn't related to Sky Priority.
But as the PP mentioned- Delta has broken the social contract. I no longer trust them- what is the point of trying to fly an extra 8K miles this year beyond scheduled trips to hit GM when they may just devalue GM next year?
#1150
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: AUS
Programs: AA Exec Platinum/MM, DL Gold/MM, Hilton Diamond, Accor Platinum, Hertz Presidents Circle
Posts: 7,006
You're also a Delta Reserve member, for which fees are waived. The fees of $75/$100/$150 for award tickets less than 21 days out still seem new and shocking to me, as do the redeposit fees.
WorldPerks Silver Elite used to get a 50% mileage bonus instead of a 25% also, but I can't remember when that changed, whether it was pre- or post-merger.
WorldPerks Silver Elite used to get a 50% mileage bonus instead of a 25% also, but I can't remember when that changed, whether it was pre- or post-merger.
SkyPriority didn't take much, if anything, away from Silvers. It just puts into sharper relief what Golds and above get compared to Silvers. As usual, DL blew the communication part, which is at the root of most of the angst. From the ridiculous onboard announcement that excludes SM's, to the inconsistent airport signage and agent training, it seems like they went out of their way to make Silvers feel like a lower class. Of course, Silvers actually are a lower class, but DL should have done a better job making the upper classes feel special without rubbing it in the lower classes' faces.
#1151
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: MEM
Programs: AA - PP
Posts: 887
I agree with ALL of the above.
I am a SM, fly about 35-40K year, just flew five legs over the past few days.
Check-in at MSP- SMs have separate line from SP, clearly marked. Line was short- no problems for me, but there could be in the future.
SMs not allowed to use SP carpet- fine, whatever. I loaded with Zone 2 when not upgraded and Zone 1 when upgraded. Worked fine but I had a small bag.
The announcement specifically thanking Diamond, Plat, GM, and excluding SM, was heard on all of my 5 flights. Honestly, I just find it tacky. Why explicitly exclude SMs?
My biggest complaint is the $50 SDC for SM. SM should be able to standby for free, at the very least. But that isn't related to Sky Priority.
But as the PP mentioned- Delta has broken the social contract. I no longer trust them- what is the point of trying to fly an extra 8K miles this year beyond scheduled trips to hit GM when they may just devalue GM next year?
I am a SM, fly about 35-40K year, just flew five legs over the past few days.
Check-in at MSP- SMs have separate line from SP, clearly marked. Line was short- no problems for me, but there could be in the future.
SMs not allowed to use SP carpet- fine, whatever. I loaded with Zone 2 when not upgraded and Zone 1 when upgraded. Worked fine but I had a small bag.
The announcement specifically thanking Diamond, Plat, GM, and excluding SM, was heard on all of my 5 flights. Honestly, I just find it tacky. Why explicitly exclude SMs?
My biggest complaint is the $50 SDC for SM. SM should be able to standby for free, at the very least. But that isn't related to Sky Priority.
But as the PP mentioned- Delta has broken the social contract. I no longer trust them- what is the point of trying to fly an extra 8K miles this year beyond scheduled trips to hit GM when they may just devalue GM next year?
I spent the last 7+ months flying every week, and now still every other week. Delta has seen fit to reward my money and loyalty with this kind of crap, so I'm hoping I can return the favor by giving my business to someone else.
#1152
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: BWI
Programs: HHonors Diamond, SPG Gold
Posts: 768
It isn't that DL has made SM feel like second class citizens in the Medallion pool; I feel like a regular non-status passenger now. And with my travel patterns (looking for upgradeable F TPAC/TATL), I really don't have a reason to stay loyal to DL.
#1153
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: ATL
Posts: 637
On June1 boarding will revert back to pre Sky Priority days with a new addition of "PREM" printing in place of ZONE 1 on boarding passes for those in a premium cabin.
The boarding should flow:
Those needing agent assistance or extra time.
PREM (Premium Cabin)
ZONE 1 (Diamond, Platinum, Gold and SkyTeam Elite Plus) Soon AS MVP Gold
ZONE 2 (Silver and SkyTeam Elite)
ZONE 3 (Rear 1/3 of aircraft on mainline or remaing rows on connection carriers)
ZONE 4 (Remaing rows mainline only)
The boarding should flow:
Those needing agent assistance or extra time.
PREM (Premium Cabin)
ZONE 1 (Diamond, Platinum, Gold and SkyTeam Elite Plus) Soon AS MVP Gold
ZONE 2 (Silver and SkyTeam Elite)
ZONE 3 (Rear 1/3 of aircraft on mainline or remaing rows on connection carriers)
ZONE 4 (Remaing rows mainline only)
#1154
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: MEM
Programs: AA - PP
Posts: 887
SkyPriority didn't take much, if anything, away from Silvers. It just puts into sharper relief what Golds and above get compared to Silvers. As usual, DL blew the communication part, which is at the root of most of the angst. From the ridiculous onboard announcement that excludes SM's, to the inconsistent airport signage and agent training, it seems like they went out of their way to make Silvers feel like a lower class. Of course, Silvers actually are a lower class, but DL should have done a better job making the upper classes feel special without rubbing it in the lower classes' faces.
#1155
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: AUS
Programs: AA Exec Platinum/MM, DL Gold/MM, Hilton Diamond, Accor Platinum, Hertz Presidents Circle
Posts: 7,006
+1. I believe that's basically what AA does. They let exec plats board before lower tiers.