DCC: Dynamic Currency Conversion (2017-2025)
#1156




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The implementation in Portugal (both at merchants and at ATMs) seems to be:
- Ask if you want to be charged in USD (1) or Euros (2).
- It then asks again using completely different verbiage: ACCEPT CONVERSION (1) OR REJECT CONVERSION (2).
My experience with this has been that tourist spots have "mistakenly" DCCed me more than others, which make it seem less like a mistake as one would assume they're more familiar with foreign cards than the local establishments where it doesn't happen. In one scenario, a merchant literally saw me hit EUR and I told him EUR please and then he grabbed the machine before the second prompt and out popped a receipt with DCC on it.
#1157
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At least this is unlike some implementations in China where there is no DCC prompt at all. The terminal just DCCs you.
My experience with this has been that tourist spots have "mistakenly" DCCed me more than others, which make it seem less like a mistake as one would assume they're more familiar with foreign cards than the local establishments where it doesn't happen. In one scenario, a merchant literally saw me hit EUR and I told him EUR please and then he grabbed the machine before the second prompt and out popped a receipt with DCC on it.
In the future, I am likely to file complaints with Visa or MC, depending on which card I use, since it appears that they've been following up on merchant complaints with surcharging. I imagine that they might follow up with a DCC complaint as well.
#1158




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Thanks for the reminder about this. Just checked my Hong Kong hotel bill, and it was not back-office manipulated. (Although last time I was in China, the back office did manipulate and I successfully disputed.)
#1159
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Back office DCC from hotels is usually less of a problem outside of the US and Canada since the checkout process is more active in the sense that one often goes down to the front desk to settle the bill and release the hold that the reception placed on the card on file at check in. In the US and Canada, especially at limited service properties, it's possible to bypass the front desk completely with an app-based check in. When checking out, it's often possible to use the app, at least for Marriott, Hilton, and Hyatt, after confirming the e-mail version of the bill.
Outside of the US and Canada, I always stop by the desk as a best practice to close out the bill.
#1160




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Yes, that is was I did and my bill was charged in RMD and zeroed-out. When I got back, it all of a sudden was charged in dollars, which resulted in a $60 extra expense. I disputed that and Chase ended up refunding the entire hotel bill (when the hotel did not respond to them), saying that I could not just dispute the $60 extra.
#1161
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Scotiabank ATM in Oaxaca, MX, offers conversion from Mexican Pesos to US Dollars for a convenience fee of a mere 14%. No, thanks.
#1162


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If you didn't have control of the machine until the receipt printed, I suspect that the merchant selected DCC for you. Regardless, you weren't given the option, and I would charge back both transactions.
There have been implementations that don't show a prompt, but that doesn't appear to be the case here.
To be safe, I would insert your card to generate a signature slip.
There have been implementations that don't show a prompt, but that doesn't appear to be the case here.
To be safe, I would insert your card to generate a signature slip.
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#1163
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At any rate, I'm happy that you aren't out any money personally.
#1164




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Related question, not quite DCC but this seems like the crowd that would know. Hypothetical: Hotel in Mexico quotes $50 USD for an upgrade. The bill is in pesos, so the hotel picks a terrible conversion rate on the bill, 20% wrong, say. Would a credit card dispute yield any help (quoted $50, but charged $60 is the logic)?
#1165


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Related question, not quite DCC but this seems like the crowd that would know. Hypothetical: Hotel in Mexico quotes $50 USD for an upgrade. The bill is in pesos, so the hotel picks a terrible conversion rate on the bill, 20% wrong, say. Would a credit card dispute yield any help (quoted $50, but charged $60 is the logic)?
#1166
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Related question, not quite DCC but this seems like the crowd that would know. Hypothetical: Hotel in Mexico quotes $50 USD for an upgrade. The bill is in pesos, so the hotel picks a terrible conversion rate on the bill, 20% wrong, say. Would a credit card dispute yield any help (quoted $50, but charged $60 is the logic)?
In the situation you described, you'd have little recourse if the transaction occurred in MXN, but my guess is that the above property might be like those two Hiltons and use USD as the currency denomination.
#1167

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Inserting the card could alternatively result in signing using your PIN code before you see the receipt. The only safe method is to film the whole transaction and use the film as evidence.
If you tap your card and don't sign anything, how would the merchant prove that you have consented to using DCC if disputed?
If you tap your card and don't sign anything, how would the merchant prove that you have consented to using DCC if disputed?
#1168
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Inserting the card could alternatively result in signing using your PIN code before you see the receipt. The only safe method is to film the whole transaction and use the film as evidence.
If you tap your card and don't sign anything, how would the merchant prove that you have consented to using DCC if disputed?
If you tap your card and don't sign anything, how would the merchant prove that you have consented to using DCC if disputed?
In the tapped payment scenario, it's just as easy to ask how would you prove that you opted out of DCC?
What should - but probably won't - happen is to require merchants offering DCC to provide a quote slip, which was/is common in some Southeast Asian locations, or a currency selection on the final receipt, which is common in Hong Kong. That would show customer intent for any currency selection and be a valid piece of evidence you could provide to your card issuer if the merchant subsequently forced DCC.
#1169




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I've long been curious about what percentage of customers really accept DCC, and finally found a scholarly article today indicating that in some cases it's around 50%. In some ways it's surprising to me that it's taken so long for social scientists to run an experiment on who is most likely to accept DCC (spoiler: it correlates with financial literacy) - it seems like it could be a fun dissertation topic for someone studying economic sociology or psychology...
#1170




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I've long been curious about what percentage of customers really accept DCC, and finally found a scholarly article today indicating that in some cases it's around 50%. In some ways it's surprising to me that it's taken so long for social scientists to run an experiment on who is most likely to accept DCC (spoiler: it correlates with financial literacy) - it seems like it could be a fun dissertation topic for someone studying economic sociology or psychology...
With the advent of mobile POS and contactless in Europe, and the fact that the tap point is at the top of the machine, many users are not aware the option even showed up, especially because it doesn’t show up always at every merchant. I sometimes feel like a jerk asking to hold onto a machine from a store clerk, only for the DCC prompt to not even appear in that situation, but they’re often too fast to hit Accept if you don’t.
Placing that burden on users is bad, but unfortunately I don’t think there’s any incentive for anyone to enforce better flows. The networks and banks make a ton of money on foreign transactions, and most transactions, especially in Europe don’t see the prompt given the shared Euro currency so it’s not a priority.
Last edited by islandguy84; May 25, 2024 at 3:09 am

