Dynamic Currency Conversion (DCC)
#466
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: USA
Posts: 238
I applaud you for contesting any DCC charges, but I'd prefer to handle a DCC issue at the time of the transaction rather than spending time calling or writing my card issuer. There was another poster, Happy, who didn't have a good experience with a Chase issued card when contesting a forced DCC transaction in the UAE. The acquirer or merchant responded to the chargeback, and it caused more headaches than the charge was worth. By the time I'm contacting the card issuer, it's on principle because the spread between the DCC amount as Visa amount wouldn't be worth my time in almost all cases.
#467
Join Date: Feb 2001
Programs: IHG Diamond, HH Diamond, BW Diamond Select, Accor Silver, Marriott Gold
Posts: 4,228
I'd prefer it too, but there are still sneaky ones which make this hard. I try to avoid DCC altogether by using Amex, but then there are those times when the business doesn't accept Amex or their own branded card which gives bonus points isn't an Amex. My first successful DCC was express checkout at a hotel, without any warning, so I had no way to know until it hit my account. The second time, just recently, was a shop that similarly never mentioned any currency other than local and put the receipt in the bag. (I first saw the receipt when I was making some of my packing neater in the taxi on the way to the airport!) In both cases, I'd used Chase cards and they made sure I didn't carry the loss.
#468
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: SJC
Programs: AA, AS, Marriott
Posts: 6,068
I'd prefer it too, but there are still sneaky ones which make this hard. I try to avoid DCC altogether by using Amex, but then there are those times when the business doesn't accept Amex or their own branded card which gives bonus points isn't an Amex. My first successful DCC was express checkout at a hotel, without any warning, so I had no way to know until it hit my account. The second time, just recently, was a shop that similarly never mentioned any currency other than local and put the receipt in the bag. (I first saw the receipt when I was making some of my packing neater in the taxi on the way to the airport!) In both cases, I'd used Chase cards and they made sure I didn't carry the loss.
#469
Join Date: Feb 2001
Programs: IHG Diamond, HH Diamond, BW Diamond Select, Accor Silver, Marriott Gold
Posts: 4,228
I don't often use it, but I sometimes do when they have provided a complete bill under the door on checkout morning. That hotel caught me off guard because there had been a deposit to book the room and that had been processed in local currency. It never occurred to me that a hotel might process the deposit in one currency and then DCC the remainder on checkout.
#470
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: NYC
Programs: Landry's President's Club, Marriott Silver, Awesomeness EXPLT
Posts: 20,420
When the choice of EUR/USD came up the sleazy B&B owner hit the USD button before I could even blink. Called Barclays and they handled it swiftly.
#471
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: SJC
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In that situation, I'd have asked them to void the sale and start over the correct way or defaced the receipt and let them know a chargeback was coming.
#472
Moderator: Lufthansa Miles & More, India based airlines, India, External Miles & Points Resources
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
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Posts: 48,188
#473
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Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: New York, NY, USA
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#474
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: USA
Posts: 238
That is nearly always the answer or it takes forever for them to figure out how to do it. One time it took me 30 minutes to get it fixed, and they refunded me in local currency and rebilled with DCC so I was out 2x DCC. I just do chargebacks now and write on the signed receipt that I wanted to pay with local currency then take a photo.
#475
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: SJC
Programs: AA, AS, Marriott
Posts: 6,068
That is nearly always the answer or it takes forever for them to figure out how to do it. One time it took me 30 minutes to get it fixed, and they refunded me in local currency and rebilled with DCC so I was out 2x DCC. I just do chargebacks now and write on the signed receipt that I wanted to pay with local currency then take a photo.
It is most certainly possible to void a sale on a transaction since you're not going to tell me if the person mistakenly keyed in €250 instead of €150 that it would be impossible to reverse the charge.
#476
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: SJC
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I saw DCC for my taxi fare in Vancouver early Saturday morning. My last time taking taxis there was in June 2017, and I didn't remember there being DCC:
Amount in local currency: 37.00 CAD
DCC offer: 29.64 USD
Posted amount: 28.50 USD
Effective DCC markup: 4% (or $1.14)
I retained the terminal throughout the transaction, so I was able to select the DCC opt out. The same terminal was present at the Ramen Butcher where a number of FlyerTalk members were eating for the YVR Do. For the rest of my transactions I mostly used Google Pay, so I didn't see any further DCC. I also didn't see any DCC at the Westin on my traveling companion's bill even though he paid with a Visa.
Amount in local currency: 37.00 CAD
DCC offer: 29.64 USD
Posted amount: 28.50 USD
Effective DCC markup: 4% (or $1.14)
I retained the terminal throughout the transaction, so I was able to select the DCC opt out. The same terminal was present at the Ramen Butcher where a number of FlyerTalk members were eating for the YVR Do. For the rest of my transactions I mostly used Google Pay, so I didn't see any further DCC. I also didn't see any DCC at the Westin on my traveling companion's bill even though he paid with a Visa.
#477
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Join Date: Apr 2001
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Normally I would have made a stink, but when you have a family member with you who's super nervous about missing the train that isn't going to end up well. The sad thing was the B&B was quite nice, but I ripped them a new one on tripadvisor.
#478
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 2,017
Keep in mind that Visa's rules state that the merchant can't place any restrictions on non-DCC transactions which don't also apply to DCC transactions. For example, if a customer who chooses to use DCC simply has to sign a receipt and after that can leave the shop, then the same option must also be offered to a customer who chooses not to use DCC. If your choice not to use DCC comes with extra restrictions (such as requiring you to argue with the shopkeeper for half an hour or requesting a chargeback), then the merchant should pay you compensation for the extra restrictions.
#479
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Location: HKG
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#480
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: SFO
Programs: *G^2, Bonvoyed, NEXUS
Posts: 3,516
I saw DCC for my taxi fare in Vancouver early Saturday morning. My last time taking taxis there was in June 2017, and I didn't remember there being DCC:
Amount in local currency: 37.00 CAD
DCC offer: 29.64 USD
Posted amount: 28.50 USD
Effective DCC markup: 4% (or $1.14)
I retained the terminal throughout the transaction, so I was able to select the DCC opt out. The same terminal was present at the Ramen Butcher where a number of FlyerTalk members were eating for the YVR Do. For the rest of my transactions I mostly used Google Pay, so I didn't see any further DCC. I also didn't see any DCC at the Westin on my traveling companion's bill even though he paid with a Visa.
Amount in local currency: 37.00 CAD
DCC offer: 29.64 USD
Posted amount: 28.50 USD
Effective DCC markup: 4% (or $1.14)
I retained the terminal throughout the transaction, so I was able to select the DCC opt out. The same terminal was present at the Ramen Butcher where a number of FlyerTalk members were eating for the YVR Do. For the rest of my transactions I mostly used Google Pay, so I didn't see any further DCC. I also didn't see any DCC at the Westin on my traveling companion's bill even though he paid with a Visa.