2013 App-O-Rama (AOR) and Churn Advice Archive
#1141
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 55
Hello! Rookie looking for help in maximizing first AOR. My boss and I are eager to learn from the wonderful people here @ flyertalk. We are currently based in NYC. I racked up a decent amount of Avios points via MR points transfer (we travel frequently on short hauls from NYC).
Goals:
• Maldives, Bali or Dubai in 1st Class, stay @ top of the line Hilton/SPG
Here's what I'd recommend:
- AA Citi Personal Platinum
- AA Citi Biz
- Citi Hilton Reserve (for 2 free weekend nights, HUGE value if redeeming in Maldives, plus it gets you gold status which gets you free breakfast there which would otherwise be expensive since it's an island in the middle of nowhere)
The problem with the above is you can't really get multiple Citi cards in 1 round so you'd have to do multiple AoR's.
With this strategy you'd also need Starwood points (which convert to AA with a bonus: 20k SPG = 25k AA). SPG has both personal and biz cards but I see you just canceled one, so you could switch to biz maybe. Not sure how you can get more AA miles besides manufactured spending.
I just wanted to share that option with you, even though it seems like using UR is more realistic for you. The other option for flying is via the Pacific Ocean and take the long way. Korean Air to Incheon comes to mind and then down to Singapore and then to Male using UR/UA points. You could use any Star Alliance partner really where you can find award availability.
While the Hilton hotel option in the Maldives is great, you could also use Hyatt and stay at the Park Hyatt Maldives (another UR transfer partner). Tons of options to the Maldives and same for Bali really.
SPG is a horrible redemption in their high-end aspirational properties as you'd need a ton of their points to stay multiple days. Hope this helps.
#1142
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: PHX & AGP
Programs: AA Lifetime PLT, Bonvoy Lifetime Titanium, Hilton Gold
Posts: 11,463
From what I can tell, you have a desination but you still are not too sure HOW to get there. So with that, once you decide then it should be easy. One thing you need to remember is that Sapphire Perferred is an excellent card to have since you can send points to many different airlines and hotels. Also look at the Chase Freedom card, I really think this card is over looked, it is a cash back card but it also collects UR points too, so manufactured spend is basically free on this card... One of the biggest issues I see people do in this hobby is not have a plan on what they want to do with the points... Be specific on what you are working towards. In the hotel game, this is a tough one, the Hyatt card givens you two free nights, Marriot give you 70K points (really not enough for a trip for free rooms) SPG for me is one of the best, I love the cash and points...
It's hard to "help" people on what to get, but once you have everything narrowed down on what you want to do, the plan is pretty clear on what cards to get.
It's hard to "help" people on what to get, but once you have everything narrowed down on what you want to do, the plan is pretty clear on what cards to get.
#1143
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: PHX & AGP
Programs: AA Lifetime PLT, Bonvoy Lifetime Titanium, Hilton Gold
Posts: 11,463
Since jumping into this hobby I've been cautious and just applying for a few here and there. Mostly due to spend requirements (I'm not really into manufactured spend).
The goal is possibly Hawaii over New Years. I have tickets in J/F on hold with AA and am looking to try and cover hotels.
I have:
Starwood personal (40K balance)
Priority Club (30K balance)
Sapphire (downgraded it from plus and pushed points over to United)
United Explorer (I downgraded to a fee free version to preserve credit lines)
AA visa
Hubby has similar, but he kept the Sapphire Plus and has two AA cards.
All cards were opened between 12-18 months ago.
Had mortgage pull in February and a new car purchased a week ago.
I can feasibly charge about 3K per month.
My thoughts for a churn for hubby and I:
Ink (we have a rental property, but I've never applied for business cards) x 2
Starwood business x 2
Hyatt? Or Hilton?
Other thought was to go for AA to build back up the balance (since we'll be down to about 100K combined after Hawaii purchase). I'd like to keep some flexibility in terms of being able to transfer, which is why the UR and SPG appealed to me.
Any advice for a relative newb?
The goal is possibly Hawaii over New Years. I have tickets in J/F on hold with AA and am looking to try and cover hotels.
I have:
Starwood personal (40K balance)
Priority Club (30K balance)
Sapphire (downgraded it from plus and pushed points over to United)
United Explorer (I downgraded to a fee free version to preserve credit lines)
AA visa
Hubby has similar, but he kept the Sapphire Plus and has two AA cards.
All cards were opened between 12-18 months ago.
Had mortgage pull in February and a new car purchased a week ago.
I can feasibly charge about 3K per month.
My thoughts for a churn for hubby and I:
Ink (we have a rental property, but I've never applied for business cards) x 2
Starwood business x 2
Hyatt? Or Hilton?
Other thought was to go for AA to build back up the balance (since we'll be down to about 100K combined after Hawaii purchase). I'd like to keep some flexibility in terms of being able to transfer, which is why the UR and SPG appealed to me.
Any advice for a relative newb?
#1144
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 304
If attempting to apply for 3 cards, you'll need to be able to explain why you want each one as one of the personal apps will automatically be pending further review.
#1145
From what I can tell, you have a desination but you still are not too sure HOW to get there. So with that, once you decide then it should be easy. One thing you need to remember is that Sapphire Perferred is an excellent card to have since you can send points to many different airlines and hotels. Also look at the Chase Freedom card, I really think this card is over looked, it is a cash back card but it also collects UR points too, so manufactured spend is basically free on this card... One of the biggest issues I see people do in this hobby is not have a plan on what they want to do with the points... Be specific on what you are working towards. In the hotel game, this is a tough one, the Hyatt card givens you two free nights, Marriot give you 70K points (really not enough for a trip for free rooms) SPG for me is one of the best, I love the cash and points...
It's hard to "help" people on what to get, but once you have everything narrowed down on what you want to do, the plan is pretty clear on what cards to get.
It's hard to "help" people on what to get, but once you have everything narrowed down on what you want to do, the plan is pretty clear on what cards to get.
Also not really sure how I will meet the Ink spending req if I do apply for one that requres 5K spending.
Also... Still undecided on my fourth US airways card... I cancelled my first before applying for the third. Should I cancel my second before applying for fourth?
#1146
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 747
Not necessarily, did 3 Chase personal myself and all were auto approved. Still waiting to see what kind of a hit my credit took here in the next few weeks.
#1147
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: PHX & AGP
Programs: AA Lifetime PLT, Bonvoy Lifetime Titanium, Hilton Gold
Posts: 11,463
Your goal of going to the Maldives is very attainable via this game. Fly Etihad to Abu Dhabi then on to Male using AA miles (partner award out of JFK, or IAD if availability is an issue). It's 180k miles round trip per person in First, obviously less in Biz. You'll have to take a seaplane ($500 per person or so from MLE to the resort, can't use points/miles), but this is one of the best resorts in the world: Conrad Rangali Island Maldives using Hilton points.
Here's what I'd recommend:
- AA Citi Personal Platinum
- AA Citi Biz
- Citi Hilton Reserve (for 2 free weekend nights, HUGE value if redeeming in Maldives, plus it gets you gold status which gets you free breakfast there which would otherwise be expensive since it's an island in the middle of nowhere)
The problem with the above is you can't really get multiple Citi cards in 1 round so you'd have to do multiple AoR's.
With this strategy you'd also need Starwood points (which convert to AA with a bonus: 20k SPG = 25k AA). SPG has both personal and biz cards but I see you just canceled one, so you could switch to biz maybe. Not sure how you can get more AA miles besides manufactured spending.
I just wanted to share that option with you, even though it seems like using UR is more realistic for you. The other option for flying is via the Pacific Ocean and take the long way. Korean Air to Incheon comes to mind and then down to Singapore and then to Male using UR/UA points. You could use any Star Alliance partner really where you can find award availability.
While the Hilton hotel option in the Maldives is great, you could also use Hyatt and stay at the Park Hyatt Maldives (another UR transfer partner). Tons of options to the Maldives and same for Bali really.
SPG is a horrible redemption in their high-end aspirational properties as you'd need a ton of their points to stay multiple days. Hope this helps.
Here's what I'd recommend:
- AA Citi Personal Platinum
- AA Citi Biz
- Citi Hilton Reserve (for 2 free weekend nights, HUGE value if redeeming in Maldives, plus it gets you gold status which gets you free breakfast there which would otherwise be expensive since it's an island in the middle of nowhere)
The problem with the above is you can't really get multiple Citi cards in 1 round so you'd have to do multiple AoR's.
With this strategy you'd also need Starwood points (which convert to AA with a bonus: 20k SPG = 25k AA). SPG has both personal and biz cards but I see you just canceled one, so you could switch to biz maybe. Not sure how you can get more AA miles besides manufactured spending.
I just wanted to share that option with you, even though it seems like using UR is more realistic for you. The other option for flying is via the Pacific Ocean and take the long way. Korean Air to Incheon comes to mind and then down to Singapore and then to Male using UR/UA points. You could use any Star Alliance partner really where you can find award availability.
While the Hilton hotel option in the Maldives is great, you could also use Hyatt and stay at the Park Hyatt Maldives (another UR transfer partner). Tons of options to the Maldives and same for Bali really.
SPG is a horrible redemption in their high-end aspirational properties as you'd need a ton of their points to stay multiple days. Hope this helps.
#1148
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: PHX & AGP
Programs: AA Lifetime PLT, Bonvoy Lifetime Titanium, Hilton Gold
Posts: 11,463
I have a Freedom already. My main destination is PEK, PVG, and random places in the US, 99% of which will be on United. I looked at the Hyatt card but, but I thought I would save the certificate for when I want to travel somewhere where the hotels are more expensive. But really when it comes to my Dec round of apps, the hotel card will be a toss up between Hyatt, PC, and Marriott.
Also not really sure how I will meet the Ink spending req if I do apply for one that requres 5K spending.
Also... Still undecided on my fourth US airways card... I cancelled my first before applying for the third. Should I cancel my second before applying for fourth?
Also not really sure how I will meet the Ink spending req if I do apply for one that requres 5K spending.
Also... Still undecided on my fourth US airways card... I cancelled my first before applying for the third. Should I cancel my second before applying for fourth?
#1149
Suspended
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: LAX/SNA
Programs: AA, Hilton Gold
Posts: 3,887
I agree they are under-rated, but I don't see them as that valuable compared to the CSP. If a bulk of your spend is dining/travel, like me, you'll get more points out of the CSP with the 2.14x per dollar.
#1150
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 374
I guess the main opposition to manufactured spend is the time involved and some confusion on how to actually do it. That is, without sitting on a ton of gift cards or sending money back and forth via Amazon.
#1151
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Tampa, Florida USA
Programs: Marriott, SW, United
Posts: 193
My Experience
Here is a recap of my last, small, AOR
Currently have the following active cards;
I had a Citi AA Visa and Citi AA AMX that was opened in 2011 and closed July, 2012. Credit score 840. Also had a Chase SW personal and business Visa with the same dates.
June 30
AMEX Gold Business MR (50K) - approved instantly
Citi AA Visa (50K) - approved instantly
Chase SW Visa (50K) - approved instantly
July 1
Citi AA MC - denied, and denied again
Chase SW Business Visa (50K) - application placed on hold, VMX said 7-10 days, then letter of denial. Called and answered close to 40 questions about my business and was approved.
Currently have the following active cards;
- SPG AMX
- MR Gold AMX
- Chase British Airways
- US Bank Flex Points
I had a Citi AA Visa and Citi AA AMX that was opened in 2011 and closed July, 2012. Credit score 840. Also had a Chase SW personal and business Visa with the same dates.
June 30
AMEX Gold Business MR (50K) - approved instantly
Citi AA Visa (50K) - approved instantly
Chase SW Visa (50K) - approved instantly
July 1
Citi AA MC - denied, and denied again
Chase SW Business Visa (50K) - application placed on hold, VMX said 7-10 days, then letter of denial. Called and answered close to 40 questions about my business and was approved.
#1152
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: CVG, AMS, BKK
Programs: Delta Diamond, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott Titanium, Hilton Diamond.
Posts: 185
Results of my second AOR...
Citi AA - Approved instantly
Barclay's Frontier - approved after recon call
Chase sapphire preferred - approved instantly
Chase MP Biz - pending... Told to expect long wait
Club Carlson personal - still pending
Amex MB Plat - approved instantly
Delta Amex Plat Biz - pending, then denied. Two calls but I didn't get a chance to answer questions. The reps just kept referring to my credit report from April that had a couple high balances - but those stats are no longer valid.
The Delta card was my first denial ever, and a big shock to say the least. Any thoughts on how I might be able to get them to reverse the decision?
Citi AA - Approved instantly
Barclay's Frontier - approved after recon call
Chase sapphire preferred - approved instantly
Chase MP Biz - pending... Told to expect long wait
Club Carlson personal - still pending
Amex MB Plat - approved instantly
Delta Amex Plat Biz - pending, then denied. Two calls but I didn't get a chance to answer questions. The reps just kept referring to my credit report from April that had a couple high balances - but those stats are no longer valid.
The Delta card was my first denial ever, and a big shock to say the least. Any thoughts on how I might be able to get them to reverse the decision?
#1153
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: PHX & AGP
Programs: AA Lifetime PLT, Bonvoy Lifetime Titanium, Hilton Gold
Posts: 11,463
In the beginning yes, learning where to find the cards and which ones to buy, but once you know which ones to buy, takes time, but not much. ANY major Grocery store will have the Visa Gift Cards that will work. Next find a Wall-Mart that has a kiosk can take some time. Learning how to load the cards, not that hard. For me, I have a Fry's Grocery (Kroger) and safeway in which I can buy Visa Gift Cards, and the Wall-Mart is down the road from them. It now takes me less then 5 minutes to load my BB with 2 GCs. When I'm out shopping, I look for Visa GC, always looking for a way to spend.. I have made it into a game, and in the long run it pays off.
So like any hobby, there is a learning curve, and all the info is in this thread on how to load the BB with GC and Wall-mart. Also the bloggers have photos with red arrows to show you how to load them too.
#1154
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: PHX & AGP
Programs: AA Lifetime PLT, Bonvoy Lifetime Titanium, Hilton Gold
Posts: 11,463
I manufacture spend on my SPG card, I travel for work, so it is easy for me to get GCs, I'm pretty good at not drawing attention to AMEX on the SPG card..
#1155
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: PHX & AGP
Programs: AA Lifetime PLT, Bonvoy Lifetime Titanium, Hilton Gold
Posts: 11,463
Results of my second AOR...
Citi AA - Approved instantly
Barclay's Frontier - approved after recon call
Chase sapphire preferred - approved instantly
Chase MP Biz - pending... Told to expect long wait
Club Carlson personal - still pending
Amex MB Plat - approved instantly
Delta Amex Plat Biz - pending, then denied. Two calls but I didn't get a chance to answer questions. The reps just kept referring to my credit report from April that had a couple high balances - but those stats are no longer valid.
The Delta card was my first denial ever, and a big shock to say the least. Any thoughts on how I might be able to get them to reverse the decision?
Citi AA - Approved instantly
Barclay's Frontier - approved after recon call
Chase sapphire preferred - approved instantly
Chase MP Biz - pending... Told to expect long wait
Club Carlson personal - still pending
Amex MB Plat - approved instantly
Delta Amex Plat Biz - pending, then denied. Two calls but I didn't get a chance to answer questions. The reps just kept referring to my credit report from April that had a couple high balances - but those stats are no longer valid.
The Delta card was my first denial ever, and a big shock to say the least. Any thoughts on how I might be able to get them to reverse the decision?
I would question Amex why they are looking at a old credit report and not the most current one? April is too old in the credit world.