Mar 11, 2020, 10:13 am
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In order to reduce noise in the Coronavirus / Covid-19 : general fact-based reporting thread, and to create a central place to invite any member to ask a basic question about the impact of COVID-19 on travel, your moderators have decided to open this separate "lounge" thread for related discussion that isn't strictly fact-based reporting.
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Any member who can provide a constructive, helpful answer to a question; or post constructively in reply to a member's point-of-view, is welcome to post.
All FT rules apply, including avoiding personalized, snarky, political, other off-topic, commercial, and repeatedly disruptive content.
Discussion of general economic impacts of Covid-19 belongs in the OMNI forum, not here.
Discussion and critique of political/government actions to aid the economy or which is far more political than related to COVID-19 is for the OMNI/PR forum, not here.
This is a protocol for posting adopted by the forum Moderator team:Please follow this protocol, based on FlyerTalk Rules and long-standing FlyerTalk best practices. Doing so will help keep the thread open, and allow our moderator team to aid members, rather than having to resort to discipline.
•Constructive, respectful posts, views, opinions, questions, and replies, related to the topic are welcome. Avoid commenting on members personally, or posting off-topic or political messages.
•While respectful disagreement of a posted view is allowed, don’t call-out posters to prove their points. FlyerTalk has never required discussion standards at the level of a Ph.D. dissertation defense, or a trial court witness cross-examination.
•After a reasonable exchange of views on a point, please yield the floor so that others may bring up different topics, questions or points.
•Especially important in this time of pandemic, when normal life and travel have been upended: please take regular breaks from the thread.
Please stay healthy,
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COVID-19: Lounge thread for thoughts, concerns and questions
Mar 28, 2020, 10:23 pm
#1936
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Except no one has said you can't travel. They're simply saying that if you travel, you have to quarantine for 14 days on arrival. Hawaii hasn't told me that I can't go to Hawaii. They've simply said that if I go, I have to remain in my hotel room for 14 days so they can be sure I'm not a SARS-CoV-2 carrier.
There's a big difference between saying that someone can't travel and imposing certain reasonable conditions on travel, given the circumstances right now.
There's a big difference between saying that someone can't travel and imposing certain reasonable conditions on travel, given the circumstances right now.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...in-the-us.html
Mar 28, 2020, 10:24 pm
#1937
Join Date: Apr 2016
Programs: AAdvantage; Delta Skymiles; United MileagePlus; Air Canada Aeroplan; Air France FlyingBlue
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Mostly from cable TV, which I hadn't realized how terrible they really are until these past several weeks where I've been sheltered and watched more than usual. I'm a political orphan and suspect both sides probably dislike me equally. I'm just frustrated by, in my estimation, an overreaction to this thing, and find remarkable how so many easily and readily accept Gov't overreach.
I have properties in other States, and this would be a violation of my Const "freedom of movement," in my view.
I have properties in other States, and this would be a violation of my Const "freedom of movement," in my view.
Government overreach, freedom of movement... blah blah... same usual crap from people who are more concerned about themselves than what’s good for everyone. Quite frankly, who gives a crap that you have properties in other states? Why is that more important to you than staying put to prevent the spread of the virus?
More to the point, why can’t you accept to lose some freedom of movement for a while in order for your right to live and not die of infection to be protected?
Some of you need to re-evaluate your priorities in life.
Mar 28, 2020, 10:30 pm
#1938
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 6,752
Except no one has said you can't travel. They're simply saying that if you travel, you have to quarantine for 14 days on arrival. Hawaii hasn't told me that I can't go to Hawaii. They've simply said that if I go, I have to remain in my hotel room for 14 days so they can be sure I'm not a SARS-CoV-2 carrier.
There's a big difference between saying that someone can't travel and imposing certain reasonable conditions on travel, given the circumstances right now.
There's a big difference between saying that someone can't travel and imposing certain reasonable conditions on travel, given the circumstances right now.
Mar 28, 2020, 10:44 pm
#1939
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Why would you even talk about challenging someone trying to stop you in federal court?
Do you not understand this is for your own good?
Mar 28, 2020, 11:12 pm
#1940
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You'll feel free to sue while still having to stay put. You won't get a resolution before everything will be over.
Mar 29, 2020, 12:28 am
#1941
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 676
Agreed. If I even remotely, even with the coronavirus, felt I could be infected, I'd stay put. Moreover, I couldn't agree more that this experiment called the United States of America is bigger than not only myself but all of us, even POTUS, Congress and SCOTUS combined.
Mar 29, 2020, 12:44 am
#1942
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 676
10 days after your message, the health care system of NYC is completely overwhelmed. Looks like it is on the edge of collapse and no chance things will not get worse at least for another week or two. Let's see what happens in another 10 days
Mar 29, 2020, 2:21 am
#1943
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They're expanding capacity. There are businesses making PPE as fast as they can.
Mar 29, 2020, 2:41 am
#1944
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 6,752
Ah, I don't know 100%, I suppose. We've all been practicing vigorous mitigation and social distancing, so I'd imagine the odds of being infected are remote. Not that I intend to violate the shelter in place, but I don't think anyone here cares to enforce it.
Mar 29, 2020, 3:49 am
#1945
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 6,752
Now, Nevada or any other State may insist I self quarantine for 14 days, which is fine.
Mar 29, 2020, 4:05 am
#1946
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All this talk trying to make it seem like things are quickly getting back to normal with supplies or are close to normal is not lining up with a lot of what is going on at healthcare facilities across the country. Even in the parts of “flyover country” that are not flyover for me.
There is a lot of mobilization happening and there is capacity of sorts being added, but this is far from situation normal or a quick return to situation normal. This will feel like a snafu for many.
Mar 29, 2020, 6:15 am
#1947
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 6,752
https://www.barrons.com/articles/put...un-51585334488
I had never before watched so much TV, read internet stuff and engaged with social media. This is not a good thing...
Data tracking foot traffic and online transactions, from a variety of sources, though, offer a view of what is happening at malls, big-box retailers, supermarkets, in fast food, and even with production of mask respirators, in short supply since the outbreak hit the U.S. Some of the findings are expected; some came as a surprise.
I had never before watched so much TV, read internet stuff and engaged with social media. This is not a good thing...
Mar 29, 2020, 6:55 am
#1948
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 2,280
Also, why should people be forced to endure the mental health complications of isolation and social distancing (which many people are already struggling with)?
Mar 29, 2020, 7:26 am
#1949
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 6,752
*If* this economic shutdown continues, there will be a portion of the population here who may become despaired to a point where they may dispense with any regard for the social order. While we live in very safe neighborhood, this isn't something in which I'd subject my family to. My contingency, set well in advance, to flee this city isn't because of the coronavirus, but concerns over the potential unintended consequences triggered by our response.
Mar 29, 2020, 7:39 am
#1950
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: I 35 south bound, finally stopped
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still not fast enough. Read this link. Toward the bottom the CDC has finally realized some places just wont have enough.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ace-masks.html