The problem with AF and AZ is they use A-320s between Europe and TLV which are too small and no place to stand so for the 5 hr flight its basically sit in your seat and dont dare to get up.

Biz is a JOKE as its Euro-Biz basically a Coach seat with no more leg-room.

Theres also OK Czech Air, as for KLM lousy connecting times into TLV and a 737.

BA uses Wide bodies into TLV with Lie-Flat Biz seats its a 767 or 777 between LHR and TLV, 2 flights daily.

As for having better availablity its always been the same only it didnt show AF on Co.com, maybe somethings up with CO wanting to get into LHR that has them changing how they work with AF. After all AZ,OK,KL, and even DL flights arent showing on .com

Have you flown an AA Mad Dog recently? They have extensively redone the interiors. They're actually very pleasant now, much, much nicer than the DL MD's and light years ahead of the RJ's...

Back in June LGA-ORD, also AA is lousy out of EWR as are most Carriers except CO. But AA is only decent out of JFK which I hate to fly out of or into.

But theres still no movies etc, Im happy that Im flying CO to HNL in Dec and not AA, as AA doesnt serve any food while CO will be giving me my Special meal. Dont know how much longer till they get rid of meals also. Also AA does their 1st beverage run charging for things, I dont mind flying them Intl but wont any longer for my Domestic flights.

Understood. All makes a lot of sense.

Personally, I'm not a huge fan of AA, but I have been flying them more since the value of my OP elite was Kellnerized...

AA charges for beverages in domestic coach?

Heh, standing in a flight is definitely an Israeli thing. In those 4-5 hour flights I don't get the urge to stand up. I agree with your comment on the biz classes though. I'm not sure about availability - I could never get the full picture before because it was not available online, but if you look now - CO has NOTHING for the summer but AF has a lot of open dates. I really help that Delta would change the market. More capacity into TLV might mean more availability of seats on the line (plus you get DL as an additional option to use with OP.)

I asked for water and was told how much a bottle of water was or I could wait till they came thru on their 2nd run and drinks were free

Boy that's pretty CHEAAP

It has nothing to do with being an Israeli thing, Im not an Israeli, and my flight last Thurs had over 1/2 the Coach filled with returning Christian Pilgrims who were standing any where they were able to find a place to.

I dont think you will find many Israelis flying CO from the Us to ZRH,MXP,FCO,FRA,CDG,PEK,NRT,HKG etc etc all served with 777 or 767 and yet you will find people almost always standing around or at least trying to find a place to.

As for what if anything DL will do to the availability all you have to do is go to DL and see what is available now for a flight out of ATL.

also CO last month had ZERO availability for Nov, Dec,Jan & Feb for Coach or BF awards that wasnt SleezyPass soon to be Standard Class excuse Me. And thats for the Low season why would you expect something to be available for the Summer time which is the Highest Season?

FWIW when I flew in Biz or 1st depending on the Carrier I also stood up and walked around and that was even on a NY-LA flight.

Im praying with the FAA coming down on JFK that JetBlue will expand either at LGA or EWR where now its only Florida flights, to other destinations

Just a suggestion...

Can someone please make post #1 of this thread about the actual changes to OnePass 2008 when they are available?

Honestly, I think it's a bit ridiculous there are 12 pages of banter back & forth or speculation about *possible* changes to the '08 program but no one knows the truth yet.

It will certainly make it MUCH easier to track the changes for the '08 program if they are consolidated into the master post of this thread. Then everyone can debate whether they are good or bad changes in the pages that follow.

Just my .02.

Thanks,
-RM

OK maybe you arent aware of who CoInsider is, so just look at his signature below Post #1. whatever you read in that post is the Gospel according to CO if its there it will be in place as Scott posted.

So whatever is in Post #1 right now is not Open for discussion if it will be happenin or not, it WILL

Unbelievable.

That information already is contained in Post 1 of this thread, which was made by CO Insider.

I hope the good news include One Way Rewards