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sbm12 Oct 30, 2009 1:56 pm


Originally Posted by xFF (Post 12738935)
I would envision something that is integrated into Word, with dialog "Do you want this new document under DocLock? [name I just invented on the fly here]" and then subseqent openings are actually clone check-outs, with the version history accessible via menu. Given the new xml based paradigm of documents, along with the old VBA interfaces to Office, seems like it could be done in a way that the "technophobe" users could understand and get behind it.

It isn't really a technical issue so much as a user behavior issue. The integration to ODMA (actually a standard that handles the open/save stuff you noted) is quite robust in the Office suite. The "problem" is the need for the extra stuff behind the scenes to manage all the documents and present that seamless interface to the user.

xFF Oct 30, 2009 1:56 pm


Originally Posted by Mackieman (Post 12738979)
additional sub-prime loans will be defaulting and inflation has to hit at some point as a result of all the money we printed.

Inflation is a risk, but not necessary consequence, in large part because of your first point here: there is also wealth destruction going on along with currency debasement.

I would really love to continue this discussion, but I have to get a few things done and get ready for my 5:00 billiards, beer and pizza appointment. There are a few advantages to periods of being a bachelor.

GTITAN Oct 30, 2009 1:59 pm


Originally Posted by Mackieman (Post 12738979)
I just bailed out of everything at a 40% gain. I have a feeling that this thing is going to tank at some point; additional sub-prime loans will be defaulting and inflation has to hit at some point as a result of all the money we printed.

Perhaps, I am driven by my fear of working in the secondary commercial real estate market, but rather than inflation, I fear true deflation. The value of real estate and the shape of things as I understand them makes me think we are looking at a lost decade circa 1990s Japan. I really hope I am wrong.:(

xFF Oct 30, 2009 2:00 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 12739010)
It isn't really a technical issue so much as a user behavior issue. The integration to ODMA (actually a standard that handles the open/save stuff you noted) is quite robust in the Office suite. The "problem" is the need for the extra stuff behind the scenes to manage all the documents and present that seamless interface to the user.

Between the Word application objects that can be exposed to dot net, and the ability to attach libraries to Word (on start-up somehow, I would presume), is it an architectural problem, or just a design and development problem?

Olton Hall Oct 30, 2009 2:02 pm

It looks like a down month after all due to last second selling but the final numbers aren't in yet.

Edit: now it + month.

gbryan84 Oct 30, 2009 2:07 pm


Originally Posted by Mackieman (Post 12738979)
I just bailed out of everything at a 40% gain. I have a feeling that this thing is going to tank at some point; additional sub-prime loans will be defaulting and inflation has to hit at some point as a result of all the money we printed.

I agree but I would never recomend bailing out of everything considering your age. It is always good to have some exposure.

Mackieman Oct 30, 2009 2:15 pm


Originally Posted by gbryan84 (Post 12739075)
I agree but I would never recomend bailing out of everything considering your age. It is always good to have some exposure.

Right, I'll be dumping right back into a 401k starting Monday with the new job. I won't be out completely but I did want to preserve my gains which were substantial given my paltry sum to play with and the behavior of the market in general.

That said, I am utterly clueless about almost all of this stuff and made my gains purely through blind luck.

Olton Hall Oct 30, 2009 2:17 pm


Originally Posted by Mackieman (Post 12739118)
Right, I'll be dumping right back into a 401k starting Monday with the new job. I won't be out completely but I did want to preserve my gains which were substantial given my paltry sum to play with and the behavior of the market in general.

That said, I am utterly clueless about almost all of this stuff and made my gains purely through blind luck.

Blind luck may be the best method right now as all of the old rules have long been tossed into the bin.

If the Oct unemployment numbers come out above 10% as expected, expect Thursday to be a big sell day.

ConciergeMike Oct 30, 2009 2:32 pm

I have to go home and pack. Oh happy day.

Steph3n Oct 30, 2009 2:36 pm


Originally Posted by Olton Hall (Post 12739127)
Blind luck may be the best method right now as all of the old rules have long been tossed into the bin.

If the Oct unemployment numbers come out above 10% as expected, expect Thursday to be a big sell day.

I was amazed in PDX downtown, there were DOZENS of homeless 20-30 year olds on the streets. More than I have seen in Miami in a long time. :(

sbm12 Oct 30, 2009 2:47 pm

Just looked at my flight history for the year. Best I can tell, I had 57 new flight routes of the 107 segments I flew. I honestly thought it would be higher. I know that I have a few more new ones on the way (JFK-FRA, FRA-MUC, MUC-LAX, FRA-CAI, CAI-HRG, CAI-IST, IST-JFK, JFK-BCN) later this year, too.

Thirty different aircraft types in my mix. A few new ones in that category coming up, too.

MilesDavis Oct 30, 2009 2:50 pm


Originally Posted by Steph3n (Post 12739227)
I was amazed in PDX downtown, there were DOZENS of homeless 20-30 year olds on the streets. More than I have seen in Miami in a long time. :(

That's nothing new for Portland. Pretty typical.

When I was there in 2007, I hear stories of neighboring cities giving homeless people bus tickets to Portland.

sbm12 Oct 30, 2009 2:51 pm


Originally Posted by xFF (Post 12739034)
Between the Word application objects that can be exposed to dot net, and the ability to attach libraries to Word (on start-up somehow, I would presume), is it an architectural problem, or just a design and development problem?

Mostly the latter. And a behavioral one. There is native integration with Office 2007 into SharePoint that does most of what you're talking about without too much programming necessary. The problem there is that there is no longer a file somewhere on your hard drive that you can see to copy or backup or email or whatnot. The documents all end up in a BLOB on the SQL server. There are a lot of reasons that is bad, but it does have some native version control built in.

rolov Oct 30, 2009 3:11 pm

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rolov Oct 30, 2009 3:12 pm

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