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Anglo Large Clawed Otter May 27, 2010 9:35 am


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 14032269)
Brace yourself for sticker shock. Edinburgh also has no shortage of B&Bs, but most of those will be a bit outside of Old Town (still, in nice residential areas).

For example, Dean Village is a gorgeous area, tucked away at the far corner of New Town, with (IIRC) a large assortment of B&Bs

Hartmann May 27, 2010 9:38 am


Originally Posted by Mackieman (Post 14032278)
Almost all of SoCal's gasoline (and all of SAN's gasoline) comes from a Valero plant just north of LAX.

I'm guessing you mean the one just west of LGB? There are actually a few refineries shoved together there, Conoco-Philips, Tesoro, and Valero. They all produce gasoline.

That was actually one of the facilities I worked at in my former life...

Scott6067 May 27, 2010 9:39 am

Need to not look at special fare sales for the weekend. UA has DC on sale from BNA. Not the best from miles but not bad from a cost perspective. UGH!!

CO 1E May 27, 2010 9:41 am


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 14031602)
ROFL. CO.com wants $2,500 for a B fare to YVR over X-Mas.

I didn't realize that the federal government decided to re-regulate air travel beginning this year. :-:

Mackieman May 27, 2010 9:41 am


Originally Posted by Hartmann (Post 14032302)
I'm guessing you mean the one just west of LGB? There are actually a few refineries shoved together there, Conoco-Philips, Tesoro, and Valero. They all produce gasoline.

That was actually one of the facilities I worked at in my former life...

I thought they only had the cracker at the Valero plant north of LAX, and that the others were doing LNG or some other oil byproducts? Perhaps I was given bad information then. Good to know.

Anglo Large Clawed Otter May 27, 2010 9:44 am


Originally Posted by CO 1E (Post 14032325)
I didn't realize that the federal government decided to re-regulate air travel beginning this year. :-:

X-Mas fares are always silly high during summer, when Kettles panic and think they need to pay $700 apiece to get back to Peoria. I suspect we'll see the usual assortment of sale fares in October.

Mackieman May 27, 2010 9:44 am


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 14032340)
X-Mas fares are always silly high during summer, when Kettles panic and think they need to pay $700 apiece to get back to Peoria.

Having been to Peoria (both the Illinois and Arizona flavors) I can say that a fool and his money will soon be parted, and I'm ok with it.

AMF in NJ May 27, 2010 9:47 am


Originally Posted by Hartmann (Post 14032252)
To make it simple, all of the gasoline we consume comes from all different refineries and there is no way to know which refinery produced your gas by looking at branding at the station.

This is why I go to the no name places that sell it the cheapest. :-:

Hartmann May 27, 2010 9:49 am


Originally Posted by Mackieman (Post 14032328)
I thought they only had the cracker at the Valero plant north of LAX, and that the others were doing LNG or some other oil byproducts? Perhaps I was given bad information then. Good to know.

There is a double cracker unit just south of LAX at Chevron's El Segundo plant but I don't know of anything north except a chemical plant in Oxnard.

There is an LNG plant in LGB but there are also the refineries I listed. (there's the BP facility attached to the ones I listed too)

*Speaking of which, it appears the BP facility is flaring right now after an unscheduled shutdown*

Hartmann May 27, 2010 9:50 am


Originally Posted by AMF in NJ (Post 14032355)
This is why I go to the no name places that sell it the cheapest. :-:

I'll do that, my fear is the unregulated ones that cut the gasoline with water or some other chemical to make more $$$

CO 1E May 27, 2010 9:54 am


Originally Posted by Hartmann (Post 14032252)
Just because there isn't a BP near you doesn't mean you don't have their gasoline in your car or their oil in your plastics or on your sidewalk.

Refineries and chemical plants share feedstock. Well, share is the wrong term, but they buy and sell based on consumption and everyone ends up refining each others oil.

On top of that, gasoline is pumped into delivery trucks not at refineries but at central terminals and then hauled to gas stations. In short, the gasoline you get at Costco is pretty much exactly the same as what you get at Kroger. Same with Shell, Conoco, etc. The only difference with those with additives is that the additives are usually added enroute to the station and then mixed in the tanks.

To make it simple, all of the gasoline we consume comes from all different refineries and there is no way to know which refinery produced your gas by looking at branding at the station.

My friend's family used to own one of those terminals. They bought, stored, and sold gasoline and industrial lubricants from various larger distributors and re-sold to local gas stations representing all major oil company gas station brands in the area (Shell, BP, Sunoco, no name mom and pop, etc.). They also rented out space in their tanks to other distributors who wanted to park product locally for awhile.

I worked there one summer during college. Slapped labels on a lot of 55 gallon drums. (ALCO has actually seen this place.)

colpuck May 27, 2010 9:55 am

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May go buy a powerball quick pick.

Hartmann May 27, 2010 9:59 am


Originally Posted by CO 1E (Post 14032396)
My friend's family used to own one of those terminals. They bought, stored, and sold gasoline and industrial lubricants from various larger distributors and re-sold to local gas stations representing all major oil company gas station brands in the area (Shell, BP, Sunoco, no name mom and pop, etc.). They also rented out space in their tanks to other distributors who wanted to park product locally for awhile.

I worked there one summer during college. Slapped labels on a lot of 55 gallon drums. (ALCO has actually seen this place.)

Interesting. I didn't know I had met someone who had actually stepped foot at one of those facilities.

They actually control the price of a gallon much more than the price of barrel does when you think about it.

CO 1E May 27, 2010 10:03 am


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 14032097)
Speaking of women and being offended, fiancee wants to go see Sex and the City 2 on opening night, which would be tonight. One review I read warned in the subtitle that some of the humor is politically incorrect. Oh, no - the horror. :rolleyes:

I told her that the movie was pulling a 31 on a 100-point scale on Fandango. Savvy consumer that she is, she elected to spare us the wasted time and money. I'm all about taking one for the team, but that level of craptaculousness is beyond my limit.



:rollpuck: is making a :rolleyes: of himself? This I must see.

I didn't even realize they were making a second one. (I will confess to having seen the first one.)

icurhere2 May 27, 2010 10:04 am


Originally Posted by Scott6067 (Post 14032308)
Need to not look at special fare sales for the weekend. UA has DC on sale from BNA. Not the best from miles but not bad from a cost perspective. UGH!!

I am not seeing an e-fare on UA ... would like to have a quick visit to see family (and I do have Type B's).


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