I did not know that. Explains a lot.

If they are doing it that way, I encourage them to continue as long as they start with A ;)

Probably right after CO's IT department figures it out, too.

On a recent trip on CO my wife (1P with alphabetically "lower" name) got onto the waiting list right before me (1K). She cleared, I didn't. Folks here in this forum explained it with CO treating 1P/1K as equivalent and sort within them by alphabet.

* No kidding. Double flak jacket.

* Can't speak for Asia, but for TATL usually the delta for SWUs isn't that big. I did a trip to AMS in early Sept & literally the dif btwn S (non-ugradable w/ SWU) & W (upgradable) was $60. Granted, not all are that low, but I usually find only $100-200 dif on TATL.

And someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but...

* didn't you all just get SWUs this year (due to the merger I'm guessing) & didn't you have a smaller amount than UA flyers? So while you might have had your (what 2?) SWUs be any fare, wasn't like you got that many to begin w/.

and given UA folk are now having to fly 150K to get the 8 CR1s that they got for 40K & other changes (including 1P- for MM)

I don't get the 'major devaluation' of the CO program.

If someone could line item or do a comparison chart on what you all are losing compared to what UA flyers are losing, I'd appreciate it. Heck, they'd appreciate that in the UA forum too ;) :D

BTW - I'm not saying you're not taking some hits, but I'm not yet convinced 'your side' is facing the major devaluation.

Cheers.

I suspect you are correct.

I think it varies a bit by time of the year, but I still find SWUs valuable. Lack of confirmable-at-booking upgrade space is a bigger concern to me.

AFAIK, CO 100k flyers got 4 SWUs, for the first time this year. I think it was part of an alignment process of OnePass with MP that began when CO joined *A.

For 40K assuming your travel was "scattered" across the quarters and on UA metal such that you'd reach at least 10k BIS in each quarter. I didn't earn CR1s in two of the four quarters this year because of my travel having been restricted for medical reasons during the first half of the year. So essentially I am ending up with the same 4 CR1s this year that I have the opportunity to earn next year should I choose to renew 1K-ness (probably not). But your point is well taken for others (and me in previous years).

Me neither.

As of my post right now there are 459 posts in the UA forum re: this topic, with 90% of them being about the devaluation for UA fliers - not CO. Again, not saying CO isn't getting devalued, but right now it seems that UA is taking the bigger hit.

Cheers.

Why would you expect any different? It's UA + CO.

Let me see if I'm reading this correctly:

Currently, CO Plats who fly 100K EQMs are grouped together with CO Plats who fly fewer than 100K EQMs.

Starting 1/1/11, CO Plats who have more than 100K 2011 EQMs will be above CO Plats who have 75K-99.999K 2011 EQMs.

Why is CO not starting the 2011 program year with 100K Plats ranked higher than 75K Plats?

Teh Box haz Competition!

Sorry, OT :p

CO Insider, will CO change its partnership with Amtrak, especially in terms of allowing transfer of CO miles to Amtrak Guest Rewards points? If so, when?

Probably for implementation reasons in their system.
My solution is simple:
Give CO Plats and PPlats over 100K who do not want to wait, an option to "match" to UA 1K or stay with Onepass until the implementation of this new Onepass Virtual 1K

SBM12. That's exactly what I'd like to know. If the system will look like COs, namely that all mileage ups are ahead of EUAs and that YBM ups are ahead of EUAs, then that will mean a big difference from the system that UA has been running where Status is the deciding factor. The bottom line is (I know you don't share my opinion on this), that I would like to have a good upgrade percentage if I choose to spend 100k miles in UA/CO seats annually. Under CO's system, I know that won't happen, under UA's, I know it would.

And if this salient detail isn't announced, why should I fly 100k on the new UA in 2011 when they may go to the CO system, thereby completely negating the status I might have earned for 2012?

The way I read it, the 100K priority doesn't start until Jan 1, 2012. So during 2011, Plat is still second tier for EUA under PPlat/GS.

Well, I recall when AA dropped MRTC and all of the EXP's and PLT's thought the end of the world was near. It wasn't. In fact, since that time there was improvement in UPG's to J or FC and no fare restrictions on eVP's, plus 8 is better than 4 or 6. The past three years as EXP 99% UPG's on possible segments has been my experience. E+ is nice, but it's still coach. Of course, with AA and UA J and most FC product is just good coach.

Disappointed that my (comp'd from AA EXP) CO PLT won't translate to 1k and a soft landing. Oh well, the rules keep changing but the game remains the same. Probably will just stick with AA, as the 16k BIS flying on UA has not been thrilling.