Current China Entry policy
#556
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How many of those are in Beijing? (see *)
Apparently (or so I've been told) it would be easier if I were working in Beijing, Chaoyang District, but alas, it's Beijing, Tongzhou District which happens to be the district where much of the govt. is moving to, which is apparently making things even more difficult/stringent.
* It was suggested by China Visa consultants I should just get a work permit in Shanghai to get back to China, as that would be not much more than a formality, but I reckon that won't help me in the long run.
Apparently (or so I've been told) it would be easier if I were working in Beijing, Chaoyang District, but alas, it's Beijing, Tongzhou District which happens to be the district where much of the govt. is moving to, which is apparently making things even more difficult/stringent.
* It was suggested by China Visa consultants I should just get a work permit in Shanghai to get back to China, as that would be not much more than a formality, but I reckon that won't help me in the long run.
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My visa agent takes this strategy a step further, and encourages people who aren't based in Shanghai to set up consulting companies so they can sponsor themselves. He doesn't have an opinion on Beijing v Shanghai, but all of his 关系 is in Shanghai. The entire process is surprisingly easy and inexpensive.
(bolding mine)
THAT I don't believe.....EVERYONE has an opinion Beijing vs. Shanghai!

Aye, I do believe there's easier ways to get back to China, than the "official" way I'm embarking on in what is likely one of the most difficult districts in all of China.
However, it wouldn't go down too well -I could imagine- should we get inspected (as we do often); having my head buried deep into some hydraulic machinery with greasy, filthy overalls, and when asked to produce my work permit, I leisurely whip out one for a consulting firm in Shanghai!
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Cheers.
(bolding mine)
THAT I don't believe.....EVERYONE has an opinion Beijing vs. Shanghai!
Aye, I do believe there's easier ways to get back to China, than the "official" way I'm embarking on in what is likely one of the most difficult districts in all of China.
However, it wouldn't go down too well -I could imagine- should we get inspected (as we do often); having my head buried deep into some hydraulic machinery with greasy, filthy overalls, and when asked to produce my work permit, I leisurely whip out one for a consulting firm in Shanghai!
(bolding mine)
THAT I don't believe.....EVERYONE has an opinion Beijing vs. Shanghai!

Aye, I do believe there's easier ways to get back to China, than the "official" way I'm embarking on in what is likely one of the most difficult districts in all of China.
However, it wouldn't go down too well -I could imagine- should we get inspected (as we do often); having my head buried deep into some hydraulic machinery with greasy, filthy overalls, and when asked to produce my work permit, I leisurely whip out one for a consulting firm in Shanghai!

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My visa agent takes this strategy a step further, and encourages people who aren't based in Shanghai to set up consulting companies so they can sponsor themselves. He doesn't have an opinion on Beijing v Shanghai, but all of his 关系 is in Shanghai. The entire process is surprisingly easy and inexpensive.
Assume someone who is interested in this is not a Chinese citizen and does not have any existing visas, residence permit, work permit, etc.
- Is this a Chinese consulting company or a foreign consulting company? Can one set this up if they are not a Chinese citizen? Can this process be done entirely online?
- What's the overall cost of this (upfront and is there an annual cost to renew the company license or similar)?
- If one gets a residence permit through this process can they start working at another company in China in the future? Is this location dependent based on where the consulting company is set up?
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Any guesstimates if China will open to US tourists this year?
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#562
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Moondog, wondering if you can share more information here or over DM:
Assume someone who is interested in this is not a Chinese citizen and does not have any existing visas, residence permit, work permit, etc.
Assume someone who is interested in this is not a Chinese citizen and does not have any existing visas, residence permit, work permit, etc.
- Is this a Chinese consulting company or a foreign consulting company? Can one set this up if they are not a Chinese citizen? Can this process be done entirely online?
- What's the overall cost of this (upfront and is there an annual cost to renew the company license or similar)
- If one gets a residence permit through this process can they start working at another company in China in the future? Is this location dependent based on where the consulting company is set up?
Other required docs:
-university diplomas
-criminal background check (doesn't need to be FBI)
-resume in Chinese
-temporary residence permit (get print out from hotel or PSB)
-a long term lease is also a nice touch
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The Australian government has given a tentative date of mid 2022 for opening its borders in their budget, I don't see China opening its borders before that.
Of course this all depends on the course of the global pandemic, so if the US and Europe sail through this winter unscathed then things could change rapidly.
Of course this all depends on the course of the global pandemic, so if the US and Europe sail through this winter unscathed then things could change rapidly.
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It is MUCH more difficult to have this done in the US, as you'll need to find a hospital (or doctor) that is okay with answering the questions, and using any and all available stamps & seals they have in their office to make it look 'official'.
The relevant form is the one attached [FOREIGNER PHYSICAL EXAMINATION FORM].
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It's even worse: the full medical (incl. blood tests, x-rays, etc.) needs to be done in the US as part of the application.....only to be repeated AGAIN having arrived in China.
It is MUCH more difficult to have this done in the US, as you'll need to find a hospital (or doctor) that is okay with answering the questions, and using any and all available stamps & seals they have in their office to make it look 'official'.
The relevant form is the one attached [FOREIGNER PHYSICAL EXAMINATION FORM].
It is MUCH more difficult to have this done in the US, as you'll need to find a hospital (or doctor) that is okay with answering the questions, and using any and all available stamps & seals they have in their office to make it look 'official'.
The relevant form is the one attached [FOREIGNER PHYSICAL EXAMINATION FORM].
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Thanks so much Moondog for the info!
China Is Vaccinating Almost 14 Million People a Day Amid Flareup - Bloomberg
Weirdly the official website says different things in English and Chinese, perhaps the 14 million quoted number here is 406.938m - 392.9m.
Let's say the population of China is about 1.4 billion people and the target is 70% of people vaccinated which is a total of 980m people. That would require about 1.96b doses as most Chinese vaccines are two dose (the above numbers in the articles are # of doses, so multiply that by two for population coverage. Let's say about 200m people are fully vaccinated right now (400m / 2).
At the current rate (7m people/day), that gives us (980m-200m)/7 = 111 days or 5 September 2021.
If they can accelerate vaccine production to 10m people/day, that gets us to 78 days or 3 August 2021.
If they can accelerate vaccine production to 15m people/day, that gets us to 52 days or 8 July 2021.
Hoping for less restrictions by summer.
China Is Vaccinating Almost 14 Million People a Day Amid Flareup - Bloomberg
Weirdly the official website says different things in English and Chinese, perhaps the 14 million quoted number here is 406.938m - 392.9m.
Let's say the population of China is about 1.4 billion people and the target is 70% of people vaccinated which is a total of 980m people. That would require about 1.96b doses as most Chinese vaccines are two dose (the above numbers in the articles are # of doses, so multiply that by two for population coverage. Let's say about 200m people are fully vaccinated right now (400m / 2).
At the current rate (7m people/day), that gives us (980m-200m)/7 = 111 days or 5 September 2021.
If they can accelerate vaccine production to 10m people/day, that gets us to 78 days or 3 August 2021.
If they can accelerate vaccine production to 15m people/day, that gets us to 52 days or 8 July 2021.
Hoping for less restrictions by summer.
Last edited by gudugan; Jun 2, 2021 at 8:41 pm Reason: multiplication error in doses 1.96b
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1. Establish contact with a visa agent (and a company registration agent -- if needed) in China and run your plan by them. They will tell you all documents you need to bring with you
2. Get a PRC visa in the US. Assuming you live somewhat near one of the 5 PRC consulates, I recommend going in person, but calling first to figure out their current requirements, when they are open for visa processing, and how long your visa would be valid for (i.e. if it's only 30 days, your schedule in China will be compressed). Also confirm that the consulate will be able to hook you up with the travel health code
3. Put an airplane ticket on hold (i.e. hopefully you won't need to hand over money) for the day after you expect to receive your visa
4. Plan on the 14 day hotel quarantine + 7 days at a friend's place; I don't envision this requirement will disappear anytime soon. The friend's house part is key, because unlike the quarantine hotel, you'll have substantial freedom to roam (especially if you tip the guards). Stock up on Costco before your trip, and make sure you have a good way to access the entire internet when you're stuck in the hotel (think torrent downloads, which are often blocked)
2. Get a PRC visa in the US. Assuming you live somewhat near one of the 5 PRC consulates, I recommend going in person, but calling first to figure out their current requirements, when they are open for visa processing, and how long your visa would be valid for (i.e. if it's only 30 days, your schedule in China will be compressed). Also confirm that the consulate will be able to hook you up with the travel health code
3. Put an airplane ticket on hold (i.e. hopefully you won't need to hand over money) for the day after you expect to receive your visa
4. Plan on the 14 day hotel quarantine + 7 days at a friend's place; I don't envision this requirement will disappear anytime soon. The friend's house part is key, because unlike the quarantine hotel, you'll have substantial freedom to roam (especially if you tip the guards). Stock up on Costco before your trip, and make sure you have a good way to access the entire internet when you're stuck in the hotel (think torrent downloads, which are often blocked)
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ETA: It just occurred to me that gudugan probably has a valid Chinese visa because of the 10-year deal. If so, he only needs a green health code to travel. Getting this doesn't require going to a consulate in person, but approval isn't automatic.
Last edited by moondog; May 17, 2021 at 9:01 am
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Do M visas require this form? If not, I would advise gudugan to simply come over here using one...after getting all other ducks in order (getting in touch with a visa agent is probably most important). I've heard that L visas don't exist at the moment, but Z and M do. Z is not only more likely to trigger the medical check than M, but it also needs to be sponsored by your prospective employer. M can usually be sponsored by any company you are visiting. When things tighten up, you need to be invited by a government entity; good visa agents can pull this off.
I have no idea, but I have to assume that it is still possible for those who need visas to get visas. That having been said, if only 1 of the 5 is open (DC would be my bet), people who don't live nearby might want to use an agent on the US side because mail service hasn't been an option for a long time. This costs around $100...that's a lot cheaper than spending 5 days in DC, though I happen to like DC myself.
ETA: It just occurred to me that gudugan probably has a valid Chinese visa because of the 10-year deal. If so, he only needs a green health code to travel. Getting this doesn't require going to a consulate in person, but approval isn't automatic.
ETA: It just occurred to me that gudugan probably has a valid Chinese visa because of the 10-year deal. If so, he only needs a green health code to travel. Getting this doesn't require going to a consulate in person, but approval isn't automatic.
My understanding as of today is the following:
- Visas (incl 10 year ones) issued before 26 March 2020 are still invalid: https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/wjbxw/t1761867.shtml
- You can get a new M or Z visa but you need a PU letter from a government entity, unless...
- you have a Chinese vaccine (Notice on Visa Facilitation for Applicants Inoculated with Chinese COVID-19 Vaccines ? Embassy of the People's Republic of China in the United States of America), which I don't have
- If you have a residence permit, this is better than a visa and you can enter https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/wjbxw/t1817370.shtml

