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Old Apr 9, 2021 | 9:04 pm
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Originally Posted by chichow
Given the showcase importance of the Olympics, does FT believe that China will open up before Feb 2020?
Typo?
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Old Apr 9, 2021 | 9:22 pm
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Originally Posted by sincx
The new variants are terrifying. I don't blame countries that have this under control from tightening rules further. Canada was doing fine until suddenly they weren't.
Oh please, there nothing terrifying about any of it at this point.

Originally Posted by yoyo
True. NZ is even banning citizens from returning (after 17 positives out of 23 came from India) from India which is a step further than China Entry policy. Not the direction I am happy to see countries going.
Thats disappointing but not surprising. World leaders are doing their best to keep the shenanigans rolling.

Originally Posted by STS-134
US and all other countries should simply reciprocate: no entry by Chinese citizens who don't have a visa issued after March 28, 2020. Only Chinese citizens with lawful permanent resident status OR a visa issued after March 28, 2020 allowed to enter the other country at all. If applying for a new visa, Chinese citizens required to be vaccinated with a US (or whatever relevant country we're talking about) approved vaccine before applying for new visa, etc.
This sounds like the type of battle that everyone loses.
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Old Apr 10, 2021 | 4:54 am
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Originally Posted by yoyo
True. NZ is even banning citizens from returning (after 17 positives out of 23 came from India) from India which is a step further than China Entry policy. Not the direction I am happy to see countries going.
China may not have gone as far as blocking a whole country but it does have a similar policy in place, the so-called circuit-breaker on flights with excessive positive cases which has recently been applied to the China Eastern route of JFK/PVG.
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Old Apr 10, 2021 | 9:45 am
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Originally Posted by GloballyServiced
This sounds like the type of battle that everyone loses.
Only thing you can really do is make sure that you're not the one who threw the first grenade.
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Old Apr 10, 2021 | 12:47 pm
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Originally Posted by STS-134
Only thing you can really do is make sure that you're not the one who threw the first grenade.
define "grenade" first
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Old Apr 10, 2021 | 3:08 pm
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Originally Posted by tauphi
The Chinese tourism sector was massively tilted towards the outbound side so if anything closing the borders is giving a major economic boost to China as far as tourism is concerned. Of course the same is not true for Australia or NZ and their tourism sectors are struggling for survival.
Indeed. Chinese tourists are a valued source of demand and major revenue stream for external tourist-dependent economies. If it tourism demand (and spending) is kept within domestic borders the tourist-dependent economies (such as the 5 Eyes alliance) will be screaming that China is being protectionist.
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Old Apr 10, 2021 | 5:47 pm
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I've been researching flights from Shanghai to the US for May and June. The prices are no longer insane, but the routings are (e.g. PVG-ICN-SEA-BOS...41 hours total). PVG-CDG-BOS is actually the best I've found...I will try to book this one way with DL miles, and hope that US-China flights are back on the schedule when I come back.

ETA: For those of you without China IDs, now is a good time to invest in residence permits. Just pay an agent around $600 (many can hook up with a "job"), jump through the hoops, and ask a friend to allow you to use his/her residence for documentation purposes. You still might be required to stay in a (very cheap) designated hotel during your quarantine, but maybe not for 14 days. Apart from RPs being awesome, I know a number of people on M visas who have been booted recently; those cameras are everywhere.
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Old Apr 10, 2021 | 7:01 pm
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Originally Posted by yoyo
define "grenade" first
Border policies that have nothing to do with science and data, like accepting Chinese vaccines (Sinovac/Sinopharm) but not Pfizer/Moderna/J&J. A lot of the data I've seen says that the Sinovac one may be the worst of the above.

Originally Posted by moondog
Apart from RPs being awesome, I know a number of people on M visas who have been booted recently; those cameras are everywhere.
Huh? What do you mean by "booted"? Did they violate quarantine?
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Old Apr 10, 2021 | 7:27 pm
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Originally Posted by STS-134
Border policies that have nothing to do with science and data, like accepting Chinese vaccines (Sinovac/Sinopharm) but not Pfizer/Moderna/J&J. A lot of the data I've seen says that the Sinovac one may be the worst of the above.


Huh? What do you mean by "booted"? Did they violate quarantine?
No. They are actually working here on L or M visas. This is no longer allowed, though M is better than L (i.e. buys you around 3 months).
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Old Apr 10, 2021 | 11:40 pm
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Originally Posted by moondog
No. They are actually working here on L or M visas. This is no longer allowed, though M is better than L (i.e. buys you around 3 months).
Working on tourist or business visas was never allowed. In the past this was loosely enforced, now they kick people out who do it. Fair enough IMHO.
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Old Apr 11, 2021 | 12:07 am
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Originally Posted by travelinmanS
Working on tourist or business visas was never allowed. In the past this was loosely enforced, now they kick people out who do it. Fair enough IMHO.
If you worked for McKinsey in SF and had a project in BJ, business visas were definitely allowed 10 years ago, and might still be now. The current crackdown I've witnessed focuses on domestic helpers from SE Asia. Basically, they spend a week in "detention" and then get booted. To me, this is shameful because all of their bosses are MDs at F500 companies, and could actually hire them legally if they put up $600. Instead, they tell them to lay low.
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Old Apr 11, 2021 | 1:50 am
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Originally Posted by moondog
Typo?
yeah meant

given Beijing Winter Olympics are scheduled for Feb 2022, does FT believe that China will open up borders prior to Feb 2022
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Old Apr 11, 2021 | 7:27 am
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Originally Posted by chichow
yeah meant

given Beijing Winter Olympics are scheduled for Feb 2022, does FT believe that China will open up borders prior to Feb 2022
which is more important, Olympics or Stability? Unless context tracking can be done efficiently for 1.4 billion people or China can import enough vaccine (SinoVac only has effacacy of 50%) I would say very unlikely
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Old Apr 11, 2021 | 7:31 am
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Originally Posted by STS-134
Border policies that have nothing to do with science and data, like accepting Chinese vaccines (Sinovac/Sinopharm) but not Pfizer/Moderna/J&J. A lot of the data I've seen says that the Sinovac one may be the worst of the above.
Do you categorize Trump's ban on Chinese traveler into U.S. directly from China last March as based on scientific data or not then?
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Old Apr 11, 2021 | 9:11 am
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Originally Posted by moondog
If you worked for McKinsey in SF and had a project in BJ, business visas were definitely allowed 10 years ago, and might still be now. The current crackdown I've witnessed focuses on domestic helpers from SE Asia. Basically, they spend a week in "detention" and then get booted. To me, this is shameful because all of their bosses are MDs at F500 companies, and could actually hire them legally if they put up $600. Instead, they tell them to lay low.
The consultant is traveling in and out and is not working full time in China, its a short term assignment. A business visa is appropriate for that type of work. If they got transferred to the Beijing office of McK then theyd need a work permit and residence permit. The domestic helpers are obviously working full time in China and domiciled here. According to the rules they need a WP and RP as well. I agree that its a shame they are cracking down but its technically illegal to work full time in China on anything other than a work permit backed RP.
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