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Originally Posted by yoyo
(Post 33169065)
Do you categorize Trump's ban on Chinese traveler into U.S. directly from China last March as based on scientific data or not then?
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Originally Posted by yoyo
(Post 33169057)
which is more important, Olympics or Stability? Unless context tracking can be done efficiently for 1.4 billion people or China can import enough vaccine (SinoVac only has effacacy of 50%) I would say very unlikely
I suspect the follow-up will be "we need to keep the border controls and mandatory quarantines in place until our improved vaccines are ready in ~late 2022." |
Originally Posted by chichow
(Post 33168728)
yeah meant
given Beijing Winter Olympics are scheduled for Feb 2022, does FT believe that China will open up borders prior to Feb 2022 |
Originally Posted by STS-134
(Post 33169650)
I'd categorize that as doing the right thing for the wrong reason. And that lack of any sort of mandatory quarantines on US citizens flying the same routes Chinese citizens were banned from taking made it effectively useless (if it was doing the right thing for the right reason, it would have been followed up with mandatory quarantines).
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Originally Posted by STS-134
(Post 33169650)
I'd categorize that as doing the right thing for the wrong reason. And that lack of any sort of mandatory quarantines on US citizens flying the same routes Chinese citizens were banned from taking made it effectively useless (if it was doing the right thing for the right reason, it would have been followed up with mandatory quarantines).
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Originally Posted by yoyo
(Post 33169065)
Do you categorize Trump's ban on Chinese traveler into U.S. directly from China last March as based on scientific data or not then?
I am not commenting on the remainder of the question, as others here have done so |
Originally Posted by tauphi
(Post 33170634)
It didn't matter in the end though, as all the lineages from China direct died out. Only the one that came via Europe survives today.
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Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel
(Post 33170671)
I wouldn't even say it was the right thing. The right thing would have been to quarantine arrivals. (Not that it would have made much difference, the horse had long since left the barn.)
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Originally Posted by STS-134
(Post 33172344)
Well the right thing would have been for the US CDC to have not botched the test kits and to have started producing them as early as December, so that all of the cases that already slipped through could be tracked down and transmission halted.
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Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 33168112)
I've been researching flights from Shanghai to the US for May and June. The prices are no longer insane, but the routings are (e.g. PVG-ICN-SEA-BOS...41 hours total). PVG-CDG-BOS is actually the best I've found...I will try to book this one way with DL miles, and hope that US-China flights are back on the schedule when I come back.
ETA: For those of you without China IDs, now is a good time to invest in residence permits. Just pay an agent around $600 (many can hook up with a "job"), jump through the hoops, and ask a friend to allow you to use his/her residence for documentation purposes. You still might be required to stay in a (very cheap) designated hotel during your quarantine, but maybe not for 14 days. Apart from RPs being awesome, I know a number of people on M visas who have been booted recently; those cameras are everywhere. |
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 33186739)
Be careful about trying to book with DL miles from China (or most of Asia) to the USA through Europe. This isn't a legal routing for DL (even during IROPs that are DL's fault) and will require two separate award tickets. If somehow they're not issued as two fare components on the same ticket/PNR, you could be denied boarding for not being admissible (I assume) for the EU/France. There could also be issues with checking luggage through: if this isn't done when you check in at PVG, you would need to enter France to claim and recheck the bags, which again gets to the same issues of whether you're admissible as well as needing to satisfy additional testing/quarantine/documentation requirements.
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Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 33187262)
Thanks for your advice. My current first choice is now KE. The flights don't show up online because of the overnight layover, but I can easily book them over the phone (with fee waived). I don't think DL will pay for my hotel near ICN; hopefully DL or KE can simply book a room for me.
It's not cheap, but I've generally liked the Grand Hyatt ICN (not to be confused with the GH Seoul, which is IMO in an inconvenient location near downtown). It has shuttle service to each terminal every twenty minutes (when I last stayed), and is also walkable (through a surface parking lot) from T1. It's about as close and convenient to the airport as it gets at ICN. DL and KE use the new T2 at ICN. It's new and spacious, with some Korean cultural exhibits if you have time to kill. The KE lounges are disappointing, IMO much worse than when everything was in T1. For the TPAC flight, you might have an option of a very late afternoon departure which would give you most of a day to spend in Seoul if you wish. |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 33187262)
Thanks for your advice. My current first choice is now KE. The flights don't show up online because of the overnight layover, but I can easily book them over the phone (with fee waived). I don't think DL will pay for my hotel near ICN; hopefully DL or KE can simply book a room for me.
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Originally Posted by geclub1
(Post 33187390)
If your trip is in May, I doubt that you can enter Korea without subjecting to quarantine. You may want to search up for the airside transit hotel at ICN.
Journey status : Conditional to board. Based on information last updated on Apr 19 2021 12:00 am GMT Shanghai Pudong International Airport China Seoul Incheon International Airport| April 19, 2021 Republic of Korea (South) Please check the messages below to see if travel is permitted.
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1. according to the Korean government, stays of less than 24 hours are not subject to quarantine
2. I like the lesser hotels because the area is cool. All of them have shuttle buses |
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