Current China Entry policy
#2371



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Absolutely, and the protests were probably exactly what they were waiting for, as it now allows the narrative to be:
1. "See? We do listen to the will of the people. We kept Covid out as long as it was supported by general sentiment of the people, and now that that sentiment is potentially turning, we are following suit"
...and, once community spread start skyrocketing - and cases, ICU hospitalisations and, inevitably, deaths start spiking:
2. "This is what you guys wanted" -- a message to both anti-Zero Covid proponents, and even to some extent foreign media (although the narrative will of course be very different there)
We went through a very similar process in SG and it was handled similarly - from a narrative perspective - by the authorities here. Same playbook, but very different circumstances obviously.
1. "See? We do listen to the will of the people. We kept Covid out as long as it was supported by general sentiment of the people, and now that that sentiment is potentially turning, we are following suit"
...and, once community spread start skyrocketing - and cases, ICU hospitalisations and, inevitably, deaths start spiking:
2. "This is what you guys wanted" -- a message to both anti-Zero Covid proponents, and even to some extent foreign media (although the narrative will of course be very different there)
We went through a very similar process in SG and it was handled similarly - from a narrative perspective - by the authorities here. Same playbook, but very different circumstances obviously.
Also, if COVID gets classified as class B or whatever they call it, the number of deaths and cases may no longer be reported in a timely manner.
#2372
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Here is an unofficial list of December flights (not including HK, Macau, or Taiwan):
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/50eJcgwJ9OQrx1GqB_AawA
I didn't notice any additions, and they appear to have omitted San Francisco entirely (possibly an oversight).
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/50eJcgwJ9OQrx1GqB_AawA
I didn't notice any additions, and they appear to have omitted San Francisco entirely (possibly an oversight).
#2373




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Let's see what happens tomorrow https://www.reuters.com/world/china/...es-2022-12-05/
A Xinhua editorial claimed “The most difficult period has passed, and now the pathogenicity of Omicron is weakening, and our response capability is increasing, which has laid a foundation and provided conditions for continuous optimization and improvement of prevention and control measures.”
source: http://www.news.cn/politics/2022-12/05/c_1129185654.htm
A CCTV story recounted the experiences of six former COVID patients to reassure the public that the virus is mild and treatable.
source: https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/nZF7MqwvKm_tzx_9IMkLug
Between Sunday and Monday, three more China-made, recombinant protein COVID vaccines were approved for emergency use in China.
All three remain in Phase III clinical trials both in China and abroad.
source: https://www.thepaper.cn/newsDetail_forward_21042665
A Xinhua editorial claimed “The most difficult period has passed, and now the pathogenicity of Omicron is weakening, and our response capability is increasing, which has laid a foundation and provided conditions for continuous optimization and improvement of prevention and control measures.”
source: http://www.news.cn/politics/2022-12/05/c_1129185654.htm
A CCTV story recounted the experiences of six former COVID patients to reassure the public that the virus is mild and treatable.
source: https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/nZF7MqwvKm_tzx_9IMkLug
Between Sunday and Monday, three more China-made, recombinant protein COVID vaccines were approved for emergency use in China.
All three remain in Phase III clinical trials both in China and abroad.
source: https://www.thepaper.cn/newsDetail_forward_21042665
#2374

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Here is an unofficial list of December flights (not including HK, Macau, or Taiwan):
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/50eJcgwJ9OQrx1GqB_AawA
I didn't notice any additions, and they appear to have omitted San Francisco entirely (possibly an oversight).
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/50eJcgwJ9OQrx1GqB_AawA
I didn't notice any additions, and they appear to have omitted San Francisco entirely (possibly an oversight).
#2376
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Again, call me a sceptic or even politically biased from where I'm from or the views I expressed I held in the past (and still hold).
But in terms of breaking Covid Zero I still have to see it to believe it.
I turned around on China containing Covid, initially not believing they have contained the outbreak, until I have received multiple assurances from people I know in addition to reported news that this was happening. This of course then became Covid Zero.
So if the state wants to tell me now that they're reversing on that I need to see the following:
1) Far more flights into and out of China
2) The HK-Mainland border reopened
3) Reports from the ground not just of cities reopening, but towns not becoming locked in
3a) I don't have a lot of contacts with people outside of cities - it will be a bit of hearsay from those that do.
Otherwise, it may be a case of - the country is reopening, but just not here.
Plus, can they really do a city vs country divide? I doubt it. Unless I see 2m die, I don't think they're serious. I don't wish ill on other people - but - this is the butcher's bill that is outstanding.
HK paid a bill of 11K deaths when we lost it - hospital patient rooms filled with corpses - before we are where we are now. And our public health system is presently more effective than any city in Mainland.
But in terms of breaking Covid Zero I still have to see it to believe it.
I turned around on China containing Covid, initially not believing they have contained the outbreak, until I have received multiple assurances from people I know in addition to reported news that this was happening. This of course then became Covid Zero.
So if the state wants to tell me now that they're reversing on that I need to see the following:
1) Far more flights into and out of China
2) The HK-Mainland border reopened
3) Reports from the ground not just of cities reopening, but towns not becoming locked in
3a) I don't have a lot of contacts with people outside of cities - it will be a bit of hearsay from those that do.
Otherwise, it may be a case of - the country is reopening, but just not here.
Plus, can they really do a city vs country divide? I doubt it. Unless I see 2m die, I don't think they're serious. I don't wish ill on other people - but - this is the butcher's bill that is outstanding.
HK paid a bill of 11K deaths when we lost it - hospital patient rooms filled with corpses - before we are where we are now. And our public health system is presently more effective than any city in Mainland.
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2) The HK-Mainland border reopened
3) Reports from the ground not just of cities reopening, but towns not becoming locked in
3a) I don't have a lot of contacts with people outside of cities - it will be a bit of hearsay from those that do.
3a) I don't have a lot of contacts with people outside of cities - it will be a bit of hearsay from those that do.
#2378




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That they moved away from "Covid Zero"?
FWIW: Supposedly PEK and PKX are not going to require proof a recent negative test to enter the facility, and some other restrictions are to be lifted today (or soon), with a declassification (or downgrade) of Covid-19 to a less severe category.
#2379
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At the risk of beating a dead horse, the elimination of the third-country shenanigans (including that multiple lab PCR test ritual) was a BIG deal for inbound; sure you might end up in Qingdao or Xiamen, but that's not the end of the world. And, getting flights out is not difficult or expensive (of course, the addressable market remains constrained though)
Shenzhen Bay still quotaed ,1000/day https://www.hk01.com/%E5%8D%B3%E6%99...0%863%E9%A1%9E ?
Easier to suppress unconnected towns and villages physically and online, than cities like Shanghai.
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Whether that comes from an irrational fear of Covid-19; the fact some places had no (or hardly any) lockdowns or cases so far and they want to keep it that way, I have no idea.
But it's said that come CNY, although China as a whole might be pretty much open by then, some smaller, outlying places will put up their own 'borders' and check-points to try and prevent anyone entering with Covid-19.
#2381




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Not sure if true, but from what I hear it's not the big, bad govt. that's making these small villages/towns/country be closed off, but them themselves.
Whether that comes from an irrational fear of Covid-19; the fact some places had no (or hardly any) lockdowns or cases so far and they want to keep it that way, I have no idea.
But it's said that come CNY, although China as a whole might be pretty much open by then, some smaller, outlying places will put up their own 'borders' and check-points to try and prevent anyone entering with Covid-19.
Whether that comes from an irrational fear of Covid-19; the fact some places had no (or hardly any) lockdowns or cases so far and they want to keep it that way, I have no idea.
But it's said that come CNY, although China as a whole might be pretty much open by then, some smaller, outlying places will put up their own 'borders' and check-points to try and prevent anyone entering with Covid-19.
#2382
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Not sure if true, but from what I hear it's not the big, bad govt. that's making these small villages/towns/country be closed off, but them themselves.
Whether that comes from an irrational fear of Covid-19; the fact some places had no (or hardly any) lockdowns or cases so far and they want to keep it that way, I have no idea.
But it's said that come CNY, although China as a whole might be pretty much open by then, some smaller, outlying places will put up their own 'borders' and check-points to try and prevent anyone entering with Covid-19.
Whether that comes from an irrational fear of Covid-19; the fact some places had no (or hardly any) lockdowns or cases so far and they want to keep it that way, I have no idea.
But it's said that come CNY, although China as a whole might be pretty much open by then, some smaller, outlying places will put up their own 'borders' and check-points to try and prevent anyone entering with Covid-19.
- they cant criticise the central government back
- central Govt set their resourcing or lack thereof
- all costs (death toll) are blamed on them, general social order is credited to central govt
#2383
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Not sure you are aware even from here in HK, how Stockholm that sounds.
Shenzhen Bay still quotaed ,1000/day https://www.hk01.com/%E5%8D%B3%E6%99...0%863%E9%A1%9E ?
Easier to suppress unconnected towns and villages physically and online, than cities like Shanghai.
Shenzhen Bay still quotaed ,1000/day https://www.hk01.com/%E5%8D%B3%E6%99...0%863%E9%A1%9E ?
Easier to suppress unconnected towns and villages physically and online, than cities like Shanghai.
Local governments seems to be a convenient bogeyman for policies set by central government and not influenced by them.
- they cant criticise the central government back
- central Govt set their resourcing or lack thereof
- all costs (death toll) are blamed on them, general social order is credited to central govt
- they cant criticise the central government back
- central Govt set their resourcing or lack thereof
- all costs (death toll) are blamed on them, general social order is credited to central govt
#2384
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Shenzhen Bay still quotaed ,1000/day https://www.hk01.com/%E5%8D%B3%E6%99...0%863%E9%A1%9E ?
#2385

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Latest rumor swirling on Wechat:
China will remove restrictions on international travel by January 9, and move to the 0+3 system that Hong Kong is using for international arrivals.
China will remove restrictions on international travel by January 9, and move to the 0+3 system that Hong Kong is using for international arrivals.

