Bear in mind that the Fosun project was a licensing deal. After the initial technology transfer (which TMK was not especially extortionate), the Chinese/Taiwanese were supposed to run the operation and at considerable scale. I surmise that saving face was the main reason it didn't pan out. Basically, Chinese companies were making some progress toward developing their own mRNA vaccines. When it became clear that wasn't in the cards, instead of acknowledging failure, Papa Bear simply pretended all was good. I try my best to use diplomatic language in this forum, by the way.

Hi Narvik,
"Took the HSR to Beijing"

Can you please tell me, was there any advantage to the HSR to Beijing vs a flight to Beijing? Currently my spouse (RP) is doing the 7 +3 and will make plans to return to Beijing. Thanks

There is no difference. As long as your spouse is able to get the Beijing health code without the pop up, they should be able to fly or train back to the capital.

My understanding is that the Beijing health code is currently the big issue. My wife (who's been in Shanghai) hasn't been able to get rid of the pop up, and therefore is unable to go to Beijing.

Next March https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-billion-rally

I find the train MUCH less stressful, and much more reliable. Came on with two large suitcases, no problem. I did travel Business Class though, which is GREAT and even has a lounge you can use at Hongqiao.
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The Beijing health code won't have its pop up go away until after you complete whatever quarantine you need to do in Beijing. I had some trouble getting rid of the popup but it was eventually sorted on the 4th day in Beijing.

Not sure that is true. For boarding the train, I thought you only need the Shanghai green code, the green travel arrow, and the release papers from the quarantine hotel (incl. Test results).

-is the train food more edible (or at least better smelling) these days? One thing I miss about the old school trains is the fact that they have actual kitchens that crank out decent grub
-how did it work with the two large suitcases? I've often wondered about the process because I've never traveled on those trains with more than a backpack and small wheelie (so I could self carry even among the massive crowds)

I am told that one can quarantine in Macau then fly into China wihtout needing to quarantine upon landing at a Chinese city.
I would like to verify if this informaiotn is true with experts in this threa.
Anyone has any specific information and website link that I can look at?

Thanks

Yes this is true, and you can select from one of two hotels, the Regency Art Hotel or the Lisboeta.

https://www.macaotourism.gov.mo/en/a...ervation-hotel

Travel should be free after your quarantine, unless Macau is designated high risk (which hasn't happened - what's happened in the past when there was an outbreak in Macau was that all the flights just got canceled).

Those hotels both seem a lot nicer than the Shanghai offering, and aren't super expensive. However, I just spot checked flights into Macau, and those seem a bit more limited than I'm used to. I'm guessing this might be addressed in the HK/Macau forum, but have you researched going directly from hkia to Macau upon landing?

When did you go back to Beijing. The “cannot return to Beijing” pop up is relatively new and happened a few weeks before the coronation event last month. They have yet to pull it so many people are still stuck outside Beijing unable to return.

Just FYI, two families in our group here were released after 7 days, Chinese, to spend the next 3 in isolation at home. The hotel said their health codes will turn 'green' in 'hour or 2'. But of course they did not. They are still in our WeChat quarantine group.

Now they are stuck on the sidewalk at night at the airport, not allowed to enter with a 'red' health code. Young kids too, outside now for hours, no one will help them. The health so-called leaders at the airport, the police, no one. Its unbelievable. There is no compassion or empathy here at all. This would make the national news in any western country.

So be warned. Get that green code. Don't let them shove you out the door with promises.

A week ago. I did have a pop-up, but that basically just said, that "they" knew I was outside of Beijing and in quarantine.


Food was good...well, BIG CAVEAT: "Food was good because I just came out of quarantine and it was Business Class!" :D
Suitcases: super easy. Although they did have more security than I am used to for the train specifically going to Beijing....they opened BOTH suitcases right there on the floor. Still managed to board the train within 25 minutes of changing the ticket to this much earlier one. You just walk onto the train with the suitcases and leave them in the spacious Bus Class cabin.

Pic of food:

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I don't get this one. At all.
The health code needs to turn green BEFORE you leave the hotel.
If the health code is still RED, they should not have left the hotel. REALLY bad advice from the hotel? What city?

Really? That's unbelievable. Oh, wait, which country are we talking about?