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oneant Sep 20, 2007 8:27 am


Originally Posted by dd992emo (Post 8433578)
Excellent use of generalization and stereotyping! ^

Ever lived in the South? That stereotype wasn't created out of thin air.

Wally Bird Sep 20, 2007 10:33 am


Originally Posted by JNS2001 (Post 8431746)
How ridiculous is to thrown someone out of the plane because one is not wearing socks??

Not ridiculous at all, and certainly not ****ing ridiculous. Nobody wants to look at your ****ing feet for 6 hours. It's an airplane, not the ****ing beach.

;)

FWAAA Sep 20, 2007 11:44 am


Originally Posted by iluv2fly (Post 8432705)
Absolutely unbelievable!!!

You handled it better than I probably would have.

But I understand the need to comply in order to get to your destination when you needed to. I probably would have done the exact same thing, but after the aircraft was in the air, I probably would have then taken off my socks.

Wonder what they would have done? Have the police meet the aircraft at the gate for a passenger failing to comply with a crewmember's instruction to put on socks? :confused: :rolleyes: :eek:

I agree. I live in LA and many, many people don't wear socks here.

My response to those who complain: Stop staring at the bare feet if you find them disturbing.

ph-ndr Sep 20, 2007 12:44 pm


Originally Posted by NorcrossFlyer (Post 8421343)
The FA wasn't scared nor were her feelings hurt. She was just having a bad day while also having quasi-police powers. Bad combination.

Much in the same vein that the OP had a what seemed to be a bad day and blurted out what he did.

Neither voilated laws, both could have handled it better. Unfortuneately global warming and recent flooding in parts of the US seems to have washed away the Moral High Ground, which has for ages been occupied by the Sensible people.

Jokes aside, as I posted quite early in this thread, and which seems to be especially wide spread in the US: for more and more people it seems totally unpossible to grasp the difference of "I have the right to do X" and "It seems sensible to avoid X, even if I was within my right to do X".

All in all, the word "concequence" seems to go the way of the word "freedom", and it seems to become more and more opaque as time goes by.

-A

Superguy Sep 20, 2007 12:52 pm


Originally Posted by ph-ndr (Post 8435379)
Much in the same vein that the OP had a what seemed to be a bad day and blurted out what he did.

Neither voilated laws, both could have handled it better. Unfortuneately global warming and recent flooding in parts of the US seems to have washed away the Moral High Ground, which has for ages been occupied by the Sensible people.

Jokes aside, as I posted quite early in this thread, and which seems to be especially wide spread in the US: for more and more people it seems totally unpossible to grasp the difference of "I have the right to do X" and "It seems sensible to avoid X, even if I was within my right to do X".

All in all, the word "concequence" seems to go the way of the word "freedom", and it seems to become more and more opaque as time goes by.

-A

No one's saying that there aren't consequences for one's action. What some are saying is that the consequences as meted out by the FA were way out of line.

Sure, the FA was "within the right" to have the cops called. But was it sensible? I don't think so.

ph-ndr Sep 20, 2007 12:58 pm


Originally Posted by Superguy (Post 8435432)
No one's saying that there aren't consequences for one's action. What some are saying is that the consequences as meted out by the FA were way out of line.

Sure, the FA was "within the right" to have the cops called. But was it sensible? I don't think so.

That's what I said, both were out of line and both were ridicolous. The OP for thinking his actions would lead to anything useful or productive, her for thinking her actions were proportional or even remotely produtive.

Then I attached a small rant describing my general view of how it works these days over there. ;)

So no, we don't disagree on anything here. :p

-A

oneant Sep 20, 2007 1:35 pm


Originally Posted by ph-ndr (Post 8435379)
for more and more people it seems totally unpossible to grasp the difference of "I have the right to do X" and "It seems sensible to avoid X, even if I was within my right to do X".

Common sense isn't common.

JNS2001 Sep 20, 2007 1:35 pm


Originally Posted by Wally Bird (Post 8434696)
Not ridiculous at all, and certainly not ****ing ridiculous. Nobody wants to look at your ****ing feet for 6 hours. It's an airplane, not the ****ing beach.

;)

I am glad that you are not the Flight Services Manager at AA, that has responded that it is not necessary to wear socks in the business cabin even during dinner. Now, next time that you are on a plane, you will be looking at my *****ing fingers and there's nothing that you can do about that. Unless that you want use the *****ing F word, in that case, you are in the same boat as the OP.:p

oneant Sep 20, 2007 2:07 pm


Originally Posted by Wally Bird (Post 8434696)
Not ridiculous at all, and certainly not ****ing ridiculous. Nobody wants to look at your ****ing feet for 6 hours. It's an airplane, not the ****ing beach.

;)

Why not just put the Taliban in control. Feet!? Dear God, what's next? Ankles? Wrists? The nudity just keeps flowing! :rolleyes:

SkeptiCallie Sep 20, 2007 5:27 pm


Originally Posted by oneant (Post 8433936)
Ever lived in the South? That stereotype wasn't created out of thin air.

Had you thought about taking a look at that poster's profile? Dd992emo indicates Gulf Shores, AL. @:-)

FWIW, I grew up in the South, and I am not particularly offended by your original comment, oneant. I was, in fact, one of those Southerners who once went to live for a time in New York and who was originally amazed by the lack of good manners (until I became a convert to the culture.) So, as I say, I am not personally offended by cultural stereotyping such as yours, having no doubt contributed to it in my time. ;)

I am bothered by overly facile posting, however, when a simple check. . . . :)

JNS2001 Sep 20, 2007 6:37 pm


Originally Posted by oneant (Post 8435849)
Why not just put the Taliban in control. Feet!? Dear God, what's next? Ankles? Wrists? The nudity just keeps flowing! :rolleyes:

I heard that Burkas will be the way to go on AA moving forward...LOL:D

ph-ndr Sep 20, 2007 6:48 pm


Originally Posted by JNS2001 (Post 8437245)
I heard that Burkas will be the way to go on AA moving forward...LOL:D

Well, this is actually not all that funny. If you substitute the muslim reference of burkah with more christian right wing ideas of whats proper and to be brought morals and advice onto, I'd say from my travels in the middle east and africa that you have at least as much tendcy to do moral policing in the US as most places I've been.

It's just that it's deemed funny to have a poke at what is not common, so you guys disarm this with referencing burkahs, and when they point out ridiculous stuff over there the reference is usually the other way, hinting at the lack of properness and state of undress at women.

Now, bringing up the habit that two guys that are good friends usually hold hands in many places when walknig around town, lets see that happen in a few choice places in the US.

-A

JNS2001 Sep 20, 2007 6:57 pm


Originally Posted by ph-ndr (Post 8437276)
Well, this is actually not all that funny. If you substitute the muslim reference of burkah with more christian right wing ideas of whats proper and to be brought morals and advice onto, I'd say from my travels in the middle east and africa that you have at least as much tendcy to do moral policing in the US as most places I've been.

It's just that it's deemed funny to have a poke at what is not common, so you guys disarm this with referencing burkahs, and when they point out ridiculous stuff over there the reference is usually the other way, hinting at the lack of properness and state of undress at women.

Now, bringing up the habit that two guys that are good friends usually hold hands in many places when walknig around town, lets see that happen in a few choice places in the US.

-A

I apologize, didn't meant that to attack any religion, just tought that it would be funny, since they are asking us to cover ourselves from head to toe ( on the figure of language sense). Once again, please accept my apologies didn't mean it.

oneant Sep 20, 2007 6:57 pm


Originally Posted by SkeptiCallie (Post 8437012)
Had you thought about taking a look at that poster's profile? Dd992emo indicates Gulf Shores, AL. @:-)

FWIW, I grew up in the South, and I am not particularly offended by your original comment, oneant. I was, in fact, one of those Southerners who once went to live for a time in New York and who was originally amazed by the lack of good manners (until I became a convert to the culture.) So, as I say, I am not personally offended by cultural stereotyping such as yours, having no doubt contributed to it in my time. ;)

I am bothered by overly facile posting, however, when a simple check. . . . :)

Actually, my question was rhetorical. I wasn't out to offend anyone with my comments. :)

oneant Sep 20, 2007 7:09 pm


Originally Posted by ph-ndr (Post 8437276)
Well, this is actually not all that funny. If you substitute the muslim reference of burkah with more christian right wing ideas of whats proper and to be brought morals and advice onto, I'd say from my travels in the middle east and africa that you have at least as much tendcy to do moral policing in the US as most places I've been.

It's just that it's deemed funny to have a poke at what is not common, so you guys disarm this with referencing burkahs, and when they point out ridiculous stuff over there the reference is usually the other way, hinting at the lack of properness and state of undress at women.

Now, bringing up the habit that two guys that are good friends usually hold hands in many places when walknig around town, lets see that happen in a few choice places in the US.

-A

We all have different customs or socially acceptable practices that seem outrageous to foreigners, and they're all equally funny if you really stop to look at them from their perspective. Whether those customs or practices are secular or religious makes no difference.

I saw JNS2001's comment as relatively harmless. It's unfortunate that you did not find it funny.


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