Was escorted off flight for complaining about 1 hour delay
Sep 17, 2007 | 11:38 pm
#226
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Just keep on lining up for these lunatics until you learn better. I'm of the opinion that air travel in this country has been un-American since TSA decided to be above the law. Feeling is spreading to ticket sellers and FA's.
Keep on flying and thereby supporting these lying basturds.
I won't.
Keep on flying and thereby supporting these lying basturds.
I won't.
Sep 18, 2007 | 1:25 am
#227
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Just keep on lining up for these lunatics until you learn better. I'm of the opinion that air travel in this country has been un-American since TSA decided to be above the law. Feeling is spreading to ticket sellers and FA's.
Keep on flying and thereby supporting these lying basturds.
I won't.
Keep on flying and thereby supporting these lying basturds.
I won't.
I can understand the mission of the TSA to a point. I WANT some governing body to secure air travel, to make it safer from extremist idiots who think that killing innocent people = making a statement. But the problem I have is in how far these governing bodies go.
They're turning ALL "innocent people" into suspects. I went through security at DFW the other day and they actually had an old woman (cane and all) with her arms spread. I'm with Robin Williams: the day that old ladies are terrorists, it's game over!
BTW, it's "b-a-s-t-a-r-d-s." At least swear with spell check on.
Sep 18, 2007 | 2:17 am
#228
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That's disgusting. An old woman with her arms spread? Why? Pat down? Whatever, that's effin' ridiculous. Is America really becoming a police state?
As for the Original Poster: where art thou? Update us with what you did, what AA's response was, etc etc. We're curious beasts! *grin*
As for the Original Poster: where art thou? Update us with what you did, what AA's response was, etc etc. We're curious beasts! *grin*
Sep 18, 2007 | 2:20 am
#229
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ahh
i really get sick when i read some post on flyertalk recently.
i dont know how representitive FT is , but sometimes i understand why the US is starting WAR without any reasons, or why a person like bush was elected president.
some people here should get a life, i mean customer is king, there is no way that a FA is allowed to call the police .
even if the customer jells at you, if you are a FA you have to calm down and answer in a professional manner.
a FA has to zip her mouth ! if you cant handle the situation call your purser and let him/her handle it
i dont get the laws in the us anyway , yeah WTC was bombed down, right, but is this a reason to make travel for everybody so unconvinient?
even i love some aspects of the US , i learn more and more to disagree with your ideas of freedom, manner and moral ..
and how can the FA be right in this situation ? anybody who thinks that the pilot + airline + FA was right to call the police is totally brain amputeted
i dont know how representitive FT is , but sometimes i understand why the US is starting WAR without any reasons, or why a person like bush was elected president.
some people here should get a life, i mean customer is king, there is no way that a FA is allowed to call the police .
even if the customer jells at you, if you are a FA you have to calm down and answer in a professional manner.
a FA has to zip her mouth ! if you cant handle the situation call your purser and let him/her handle it
i dont get the laws in the us anyway , yeah WTC was bombed down, right, but is this a reason to make travel for everybody so unconvinient?
even i love some aspects of the US , i learn more and more to disagree with your ideas of freedom, manner and moral ..
and how can the FA be right in this situation ? anybody who thinks that the pilot + airline + FA was right to call the police is totally brain amputeted
Sep 18, 2007 | 2:39 am
#230
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Actually 'basturds' may have been intentional and is quite funny...a nice conglomeration of '.......' and 'turd'....new word for my lexicon...I'll just make sure if I use it in the airplane I have time to be detained.
Sep 18, 2007 | 6:02 am
#231
Join Date: Apr 2007
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The FA wasn't scared nor were her feelings hurt. She was just having a bad day while also having quasi-police powers. Bad combination.
Sep 18, 2007 | 6:11 am
#232
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Think about the model of riding in an airplane. From the minute someone drops us off, there's a cop telling us to move it. In the airport, it's hurry up, get your things on the x-ray belt so you don't stop the line. Oh yeah, and you better be at the gate 20 minutes before departure. On the plane, we're told to hurry up with settling in and/or being told to step out of the aisle so others can walk through. From the moment we're on the airport grounds, it's go GO GO!
I don't see wanting to get off a plane sitting on a tarmac as being uppity or a desire to be treated "first class." How many stories have we seen about planes, regardless of the circumstances, get left on the tarmac for hours (JetBlue, anyone?)? Listen on your next flight as the plane inches towards the final parking spot for the clicks of the seat belts prior to the plane being in its final parking position.
While the OP was wrong in dropping the f-bomb, did the situation really warrant usage of resources set to handle true emergencies such as a terrorist act or a plane crash?
It's only a matter of time that we're going to hear about an incident that didn't have proper response due to one of these retaliatory, power-trip things some (not all) crew members will employ because they want to show who's boss.
I don't see wanting to get off a plane sitting on a tarmac as being uppity or a desire to be treated "first class." How many stories have we seen about planes, regardless of the circumstances, get left on the tarmac for hours (JetBlue, anyone?)? Listen on your next flight as the plane inches towards the final parking spot for the clicks of the seat belts prior to the plane being in its final parking position.
While the OP was wrong in dropping the f-bomb, did the situation really warrant usage of resources set to handle true emergencies such as a terrorist act or a plane crash?
It's only a matter of time that we're going to hear about an incident that didn't have proper response due to one of these retaliatory, power-trip things some (not all) crew members will employ because they want to show who's boss.
Maybe the OP could have used better language and a calmer tone, but it was the FA's duty to handle the incident as a professional that they claim to be.
Anyone who has worked in a customer service postion should understand this.
Sep 18, 2007 | 6:16 am
#233
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Ironically or perhaps inevitably the customer service type people I have known personally were the absolute worst customers themselves...
I feel horribly helpless as a customer these days...I would never start screaming and yelling and throwing things but I sure don't like to go along with whatever nonsense is told to me...sometimes there is a way out...others you are utterly trapped with no choice but to cave to their "power"...ugh
I feel horribly helpless as a customer these days...I would never start screaming and yelling and throwing things but I sure don't like to go along with whatever nonsense is told to me...sometimes there is a way out...others you are utterly trapped with no choice but to cave to their "power"...ugh
Sep 18, 2007 | 9:07 am
#234
Join Date: Aug 2004
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... But the problem I have is in how far these governing bodies go.
They're turning ALL "innocent people" into suspects. I went through security at DFW the other day and they actually had an old woman (cane and all) with her arms spread. I'm with Robin Williams: the day that old ladies are terrorists, it's game over.
They're turning ALL "innocent people" into suspects. I went through security at DFW the other day and they actually had an old woman (cane and all) with her arms spread. I'm with Robin Williams: the day that old ladies are terrorists, it's game over.
Sep 19, 2007 | 7:35 pm
#235
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I flew from MIA to GRU, I had to spend several hours in MIA and I rented a car and went to SoBe, I bought some clothes, returned to the airport and took a shower at the Admirals Club, had some jeans, a shirt and some sandals no socks.
FA tells me that he would suggest that I place some socks during dinner while we were at the gate. Five minutes later while we were still at the gate he tells me that if I don't put socks, he had already informed the pilot and I was being asked to leave the plane. I told him: "although I don't know that this is based on the airlines rules, and since I need to get in Sao Paulo, I will comply with it and I will report you to customer service". Got his name, wrote a nice letter to AA, and today they have responded that socks are not needed on the Business class, and their wording "Due to the circumstances you have reported, we have shared your email with the appropriate management personnel for internal review and follow-up".
Dunno waht it means in the real work but it is good to take this off your chest...Hate this "small power syndrome" that some of these FA's show these days. How ridiculous is to thrown someone out of the plane because one is not wearing socks??
FA tells me that he would suggest that I place some socks during dinner while we were at the gate. Five minutes later while we were still at the gate he tells me that if I don't put socks, he had already informed the pilot and I was being asked to leave the plane. I told him: "although I don't know that this is based on the airlines rules, and since I need to get in Sao Paulo, I will comply with it and I will report you to customer service". Got his name, wrote a nice letter to AA, and today they have responded that socks are not needed on the Business class, and their wording "Due to the circumstances you have reported, we have shared your email with the appropriate management personnel for internal review and follow-up".
Dunno waht it means in the real work but it is good to take this off your chest...Hate this "small power syndrome" that some of these FA's show these days. How ridiculous is to thrown someone out of the plane because one is not wearing socks??
Sep 19, 2007 | 9:03 pm
#236
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I feel horribly helpless as a customer these days...I would never start screaming and yelling and throwing things but I sure don't like to go along with whatever nonsense is told to me...sometimes there is a way out...others you are utterly trapped with no choice but to cave to their "power"...ugh
Sep 19, 2007 | 11:30 pm
#237
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FA tells me that he would suggest that I place some socks during dinner while we were at the gate. Five minutes later while we were still at the gate he tells me that if I don't put socks, he had already informed the pilot and I was being asked to leave the plane. I told him: "although I don't know that this is based on the airlines rules, and since I need to get in Sao Paulo, I will comply with it and I will report you to customer service". Got his name, wrote a nice letter to AA, and today they have responded that socks are not needed on the Business class, and their wording "Due to the circumstances you have reported, we have shared your email with the appropriate management personnel for internal review and follow-up".
Dunno waht it means in the real work but it is good to take this off your chest...Hate this "small power syndrome" that some of these FA's show these days. How ridiculous is to thrown someone out of the plane because one is not wearing socks??
Dunno waht it means in the real work but it is good to take this off your chest...Hate this "small power syndrome" that some of these FA's show these days. How ridiculous is to thrown someone out of the plane because one is not wearing socks??
You handled it better than I probably would have.
But I understand the need to comply in order to get to your destination when you needed to. I probably would have done the exact same thing, but after the aircraft was in the air, I probably would have then taken off my socks.
Wonder what they would have done? Have the police meet the aircraft at the gate for a passenger failing to comply with a crewmember's instruction to put on socks?
Sep 20, 2007 | 6:51 am
#238
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I wonder if he thought you were non-rev? Non-rev tickets usually have a dress code attached to them.
Sep 20, 2007 | 7:08 am
#240
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I think the difference in opinion as to the reaction to the OP using the F-word really translates to the current climate in the US in general. There seems to be quite a few people that feel law enforcement is there to uphold their own personal idea of moral correctness.
These are the same people who, when offended, want the offender punished and society to change as a whole in order to adhere to a more strict level of decorum just to appease their own inability to accept, and deal with, the myriad of personalities out there.
You toss the average joe (or josephina) from rural Arkansas into downtown NYC, and you'll see what I mean. They'll go home with stories of foul creatures sinning at every turn. They'll be counting the minutes until the go back home, where the sinning takes place behind the good ol' fashioned Southern facade of faux-reality.
The OP used the F word. Oh my GOD!! I feel the fabric of space-time ripping apart as I type!!
Get over it folks.
These are the same people who, when offended, want the offender punished and society to change as a whole in order to adhere to a more strict level of decorum just to appease their own inability to accept, and deal with, the myriad of personalities out there.
You toss the average joe (or josephina) from rural Arkansas into downtown NYC, and you'll see what I mean. They'll go home with stories of foul creatures sinning at every turn. They'll be counting the minutes until the go back home, where the sinning takes place behind the good ol' fashioned Southern facade of faux-reality.
The OP used the F word. Oh my GOD!! I feel the fabric of space-time ripping apart as I type!!
Get over it folks.