Was escorted off flight for complaining about 1 hour delay
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so your point is that because swearing is ok in one context, it should be acceptable, or at least disregarded, in another context? poor form by the OP. that doesn't make what the FA did right either (based on the very limited information we have), but neither does it excuse the OP.
for the record, I'm under 35.
for the record, I'm under 35.
We don't and likely will never know the full story, but the people posting on this thread are saying that the FA's actions are fully acceptable because *gasp* someone cursed in the FAs presence. Get a life folks, open your ears ... without substantially more to this story - e.g. was the OP standing the aisle ranting in the FAs face, did they make a move to stand up, were they addressing comments to directly rile up other passengers -- and there is nothing to substantiate any of those scenarios. Still, the posters here want to tar and the feather the OP because he cursed ... once ... about the situation? Sorry, I cannot, do not and will not understand that position.
The FA was incorrect to get law enforcement involved without SOMETHING else to this story which the OP doesn't detail and very possibly does not exist. Note that none of my "other" incidents in any way, shape or form are related to the fact that the guy cursed.
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so your point is that because swearing is ok in one context, it should be acceptable, or at least disregarded, in another context? poor form by the OP. that doesn't make what the FA did right either (based on the very limited information we have), but neither does it excuse the OP.
for the record, I'm under 35.
for the record, I'm under 35.
I do however, agree that total incompetence and unresponsive FAs are "f-n ridiculous" just wouldn't say it out loud.
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There's a contract for passage between A and B, even if one party was in breach. If AA doesn't want to fulfill on that contract or reimburse the counterparty, they may end up paying more to defend themselves by asserting breach by counterparty than it costs to reimburse the counterparty.
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How many restaurants have you recently worked in? If you complain to a server about your dinner being late and use a profanity to describe the delay (remember it was about the delay, not swearing personally about the FA), you would end up with your dinner comped instead of being thrown out of the restaurant. No restaurant manager I know is going to throw out a calm customer who is justifiably annoyed by the lack of good customer service. Even better, I can't imagine any manager calling the police in such a situation. The cops would just laugh.
When you use a curse in a restaurant you are not detained by police. I am sure the px would have been delighted to have been told to immediately leave the airplane.

Related topic -- I noticed an uptrend in customer service people seemingly trying to get you to curse so as to then have an excuse to deny you further service. IOW: "Now that I've screwed up enough to make you curse I can quit trying to correct my mistakes."
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Yes, it probably is wasting money on lawyers, unless going through small claims court, but what misdemeanor? People can mention "misdemeanor" all they want in an effort to smear paint, but that paint has not been applied legally when the police haven't filed charges with prosecutors pursuing them and getting a conviction.
There's a contract for passage between A and B, even if one party was in breach. If AA doesn't want to fulfill on that contract or reimburse the counterparty, they may end up paying more to defend themselves by asserting breach by counterparty than it costs to reimburse the counterparty.
There's a contract for passage between A and B, even if one party was in breach. If AA doesn't want to fulfill on that contract or reimburse the counterparty, they may end up paying more to defend themselves by asserting breach by counterparty than it costs to reimburse the counterparty.
There was no breach of contract, as the px made it from point A to B. There is also no denying that cursing in VA is in fact a misdemeanor. Going to court, and not denying the admitted infraction was committed; however stupid it is, would not be recommended, as you would only be waiting your own time and money.
The OP, and I would do the same in his shoes, should state his case to Customer Relations and he will be more likely to receive compensation than pursuing the legal route.
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Originally Posted by Dan_the_Man
There was no breach of contract, as the px made it from point A to B. There is also no denying that cursing in VA is in fact a misdemeanor.
Crying "misdemeanor" is with little legal substance when there's no charge with prosecution and conviction for that charge.
Originally Posted by Dan_the_Man
Going to court, and not denying the admitted infraction was committed; however stupid it is, would not be recommended, as you would only be waiting your own time and money.
Originally Posted by Dan_the_Man
The OP, and I would do the same in his shoes, should state his case to Customer Relations and he will be more likely to receive compensation than pursuing the legal route.
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Professionalism is going away...this story is a perfect example..the recent story about the cop that went off on the kid near St.Louis is another. Saying "f*ck" in this context is not worthy of being booted and having LE called EVER. Anyone that says otherwise is trying to justify bad behavior.
Power corrupts and it has been known since the beginning of time. Stewardesses/Stewards have been given too much leeway with the whole "disobeying flight crew" rules...wait staff don't have this luxury and it's why you don't get tossed from restaurants.
Yes being nice is best...but saying "f*ck" when frustrated is not a big deal...geesus.
Power corrupts and it has been known since the beginning of time. Stewardesses/Stewards have been given too much leeway with the whole "disobeying flight crew" rules...wait staff don't have this luxury and it's why you don't get tossed from restaurants.
Yes being nice is best...but saying "f*ck" when frustrated is not a big deal...geesus.
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This FA needs to get a new job if she's so delicate the mere mention of the word f*ck within her earshot sends her off the deep end.
Unless the OP was a real threat (which the LEOs apparently determined was not the case), it was a waste of everyone's time. She missed a great opportunity to build some customer goodwill by empathizing with the customer and assuring him it was frustrating for her as well.
If you agree that the FA acted reasonably, you may want to become a recluse and avoid all contact with the outside world because some of us say F*CK when we're frustrated. F*cking deal with it.
Unless the OP was a real threat (which the LEOs apparently determined was not the case), it was a waste of everyone's time. She missed a great opportunity to build some customer goodwill by empathizing with the customer and assuring him it was frustrating for her as well.
If you agree that the FA acted reasonably, you may want to become a recluse and avoid all contact with the outside world because some of us say F*CK when we're frustrated. F*cking deal with it.
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1. Do not waist your money on the Lawyers, as they will not be able to get passed the misdameanor, that the flight attendant reported you for.
2. The best advice I can give you is to e-mail AA customer relations. State to them your situation, LEAVING OUT THE SWEARING Part, stating that you told the Flight attendant that this was redicualous, and she over-reacted, contacted the police, and had you escorted off the plane. Discuss that after explaining the situation and listing to others on the flight that thought this was an extreem over-reaction, the police officers let you go. Ask them to compensate you for the embarassment of being dragged off the flight, and the additional time you waisted dealing with the police officer, who could find that you had done no wrong.
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2. The best advice I can give you is to e-mail AA customer relations. State to them your situation, LEAVING OUT THE SWEARING Part, stating that you told the Flight attendant that this was redicualous, and she over-reacted, contacted the police, and had you escorted off the plane. Discuss that after explaining the situation and listing to others on the flight that thought this was an extreem over-reaction, the police officers let you go. Ask them to compensate you for the embarassment of being dragged off the flight, and the additional time you waisted dealing with the police officer, who could find that you had done no wrong.
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This FA needs to get a new job if she's so delicate the mere mention of the word f*ck within her earshot sends her off the deep end.
Unless the OP was a real threat (which the LEOs apparently determined was not the case), it was a waste of everyone's time. She missed a great opportunity to build some customer goodwill by empathizing with the customer and assuring him it was frustrating for her as well.
If you agree that the FA acted reasonably, you may want to become a recluse and avoid all contact with the outside world because some of us say F*CK when we're frustrated. F*cking deal with it.
Unless the OP was a real threat (which the LEOs apparently determined was not the case), it was a waste of everyone's time. She missed a great opportunity to build some customer goodwill by empathizing with the customer and assuring him it was frustrating for her as well.
If you agree that the FA acted reasonably, you may want to become a recluse and avoid all contact with the outside world because some of us say F*CK when we're frustrated. F*cking deal with it.
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No, I wouldn't jump off the deep end but why is his need to use that kind of language, in an inappropriate setting, more important than our desire to not have to hear it. As I've said before, we have lowered our standards in everything to just about rock bottom. It doesn't matter whether the whole plane heard or just a few. Everyone else was dealing with the same situation and could do it without creating the situation that arose. And then his behavior delayed them even longer, because they had to sit and wait for him to be escorted off the plane first.
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No, I wouldn't jump off the deep end but why is his need to use that kind of language, in an inappropriate setting, more important than our desire to not have to hear it. As I've said before, we have lowered our standards in everything to just about rock bottom. It doesn't matter whether the whole plane heard or just a few. Everyone else was dealing with the same situation and could do it without creating the situation that arose. And then his behavior delayed them even longer, because they had to sit and wait for him to be escorted off the plane first.
Having to "hear" the word ... wow - ever hear of tolerance? Your standard is different than many others, sorry you're so unaccepting that anyone can differ from your perception and expectations in their behavior.
OH - and the most important part, how do YOU know what others on the flight were saying, feeling or doing?
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What would the FA have done at another airport in another state without the antiquated swear word law ? I think she still would have had the OP removed. The FA was frustrated herself (maybe with AA, maybe with her long day), annoyed by the passenger, and didn't follow basic customer service rules about what to do with unhappy customers.
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The situation in general, we don't know whose "fault" that is other than what we've been told and the airline/airport for making the plane sit on the tarmac. The latter delay is the FAs fault for calling the police in the first place, no one elses ...
Having to "hear" the word ... wow - ever hear of tolerance? Your standard is different than many others, sorry you're so unaccepting that anyone can differ from your perception and expectations in their behavior.
OH - and the most important part, how do YOU know what others on the flight were saying, feeling or doing?
Having to "hear" the word ... wow - ever hear of tolerance? Your standard is different than many others, sorry you're so unaccepting that anyone can differ from your perception and expectations in their behavior.
OH - and the most important part, how do YOU know what others on the flight were saying, feeling or doing?
Going back to the tolerance remark, this sounds like we are suppose to ignore a two year old throwing a tantrum because he is not getting his instant gratification.

