"Security Feints": sad article
Sep 4, 2006 | 10:26 pm
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"Security Feints": sad article
Read it and weep! The hardcopy had a list of all "incidents", which clearly demonstrated that the premise of this article is idiotic. This "security consultant" should be tarred and feathered.
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...2238-5164r.htm
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...2238-5164r.htm
Sep 4, 2006 | 10:38 pm
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Pathetic lies.
The only 'probing' going on is by those two little sickos, Comrades Chertoff and Hawley, as to how much abuse and harassment the traveling public will tolerate.
They too should be tarred and feathered.
Pathetic lies.
The only 'probing' going on is by those two little sickos, Comrades Chertoff and Hawley, as to how much abuse and harassment the traveling public will tolerate.
They too should be tarred and feathered.
Sep 4, 2006 | 10:40 pm
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Originally Posted by Spiff
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Pathetic lies.
The only 'probing' going on is by those two little sickos, Comrades Chertoff and Hawley, as to how much abuse and harassment the traveling public will tolerate.
They too should be tarred and feathered.
Pathetic lies.
The only 'probing' going on is by those two little sickos, Comrades Chertoff and Hawley, as to how much abuse and harassment the traveling public will tolerate.
They too should be tarred and feathered.
I'm no pollyanna (and have even read the book!) and do not hesitate to call a dope a dope, but what's up with the 'tude?
Sep 4, 2006 | 10:50 pm
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When someone violates my civil liberties, lies to me about the reasons for supposedly doing so and ignores technology that is available and actually does provide security, I get a little testy.
Normally, bullies like these two get their come-uppance before too long, however there's no legal end in sight to their reign of terror.
When someone violates my civil liberties, lies to me about the reasons for supposedly doing so and ignores technology that is available and actually does provide security, I get a little testy.
Normally, bullies like these two get their come-uppance before too long, however there's no legal end in sight to their reign of terror.
Sep 4, 2006 | 10:55 pm
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I think the Northeast Intelligence Network is trying to drum up some business. Notice how DHS was the only government agency quoted and even then they said very little.
Seems like these companies and people have something to gain if they can keep the fear going.
As least the last few quotes called for some sanity.
Very bad article overall though.
Seems like these companies and people have something to gain if they can keep the fear going.
As least the last few quotes called for some sanity.
Very bad article overall though.
Sep 4, 2006 | 11:02 pm
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From another thread, discussing the TS/S Forum:
Originally Posted by Randy Petersen
But if the forum is being used simply as a whipping ground for the TSA, then I think the goals and description of the forum ned to change, and change drastically. If one feels the TSA is the root of all incompetence, you can say it once and we'll all remember. But when any member repeats themselves for the 999th time, you're pretty much losing your audience because they can't hear themselves over you.
Sep 4, 2006 | 11:08 pm
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Sadly the Wash Times is the mouthpiece of the current regime to a great extent. This article shows this warped mentality and also clearly shows how these so-called "security consultants" are trying to profit from this. As if some kid dropping his Ipod in the toilet (was this a hoax?) is the terrorists "testing us". If this indeed is a problem then we should not overreact in a mindless manner. And then to throw in some cockeyed tale about "Khaled in Atlanta". Pathetic.......
Not sure how this is cause for "whipping the TSA" unless criticizing the government's handling of this is an extension of "whipping the TSA".
Not sure how this is cause for "whipping the TSA" unless criticizing the government's handling of this is an extension of "whipping the TSA".
Sep 4, 2006 | 11:17 pm
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The people interviewed in that article are completely delusional. I've never read such rubbish in my life. Those idiots are creating more "terror" than the terrorists could ever do by themselves!
I completely agree that it's a pretty transparent attempt by the so-called security experts to drum up business and profit for themselves. There's a lot of money to be made from public hysteria, unfortunately.
Oh and BTW if people are upset that the TS&S forum has an anti-TSA bias, why don't you go to any of the other Internet travel forums? I've found that the more mainstream Internet forums that attract the less frequent travelers are much less negative towards the TSA (USA Today Airline blog, NY Times comment section on articles about airline security, the travel guidebook sites, etc.).
But if you want to know how a lot of real frequent flyers feel about the TSA, you've come to the right place. The reason we're so anti-TSA is because we have to put up with this intolerable, ineffective, abusive crap the most.
I completely agree that it's a pretty transparent attempt by the so-called security experts to drum up business and profit for themselves. There's a lot of money to be made from public hysteria, unfortunately.
Oh and BTW if people are upset that the TS&S forum has an anti-TSA bias, why don't you go to any of the other Internet travel forums? I've found that the more mainstream Internet forums that attract the less frequent travelers are much less negative towards the TSA (USA Today Airline blog, NY Times comment section on articles about airline security, the travel guidebook sites, etc.).
But if you want to know how a lot of real frequent flyers feel about the TSA, you've come to the right place. The reason we're so anti-TSA is because we have to put up with this intolerable, ineffective, abusive crap the most.
Sep 5, 2006 | 2:14 am
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Originally Posted by justageek
Oh and BTW if people are upset that the TS&S forum has an anti-TSA bias,
The "people" in this instance seem to be Randy Peterson - owner and operator of this website, so take it for what it's worth, but he has the power to shut down this forum if he chooses. Also, I and many others agree with him. I don't like what's going on any more than most here, but to scream bloody murder at any possible moment is getting old and as Randy so clearly stated, the message looses it's power as most people are just getting tired at name calling and no real evidence presented by the poster(s). I posted some time back telling the no.1 TSA basher that it's not quantity of accusations, it's the quality, but apparently that did not make any difference......
Post some solid evidence and I will join the fight, but just simply start with name calling everytime an article appears somewhere, whether for or against the TSA basher's beliefs, and I loose interest and refuse to even listen to the basher's nonsense. So you can actually say that the basher is loosing support with the simplistic approach.
Just my opinion and you or others don't have to agree.
Sep 5, 2006 | 3:38 am
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Originally Posted by Superguy
Very bad article overall though.
Dave Mackett, an airline pilot and president of the Airline Pilots Security Alliance, says the diversions are costing airlines millions and leaves the industry vulnerable to lawsuits.
"This cannot be the new norm," Mr. Mackett said.
Daryle Elizabeth Lademan, an associate with DFI Corporate Services, says the economic threat comes from the burden on passengers who face stricter screening rules.
"The leisure traveler won't fly as much, the business traveler will teleconference more often or seek private air-travel options like charters, corporate jets, and fractional ownership providers," she said.
"This cannot be the new norm," Mr. Mackett said.
Daryle Elizabeth Lademan, an associate with DFI Corporate Services, says the economic threat comes from the burden on passengers who face stricter screening rules.
"The leisure traveler won't fly as much, the business traveler will teleconference more often or seek private air-travel options like charters, corporate jets, and fractional ownership providers," she said.
Sep 5, 2006 | 4:08 am
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BTW, this Laura Mansfield person is a real piece of work. From the cited link:
She is no expert except in her own mind. Absolutely no credentials other than the fact she blogs and can translate Arabic. Writer and commentator, indeed. Reprobate scaremonger more like it.
If you've got the stomach for it, check out her six-parter: Jihad In Small Town America. It reads like a True Confessions serial. Completely devoid of verifiability! Horrid syntax and grammar to boot.
Laura Mansfield, a counterterrorism consultant and Arabic translator, says many of the incidents involve terrorist sympathizers hoping to divert attention from actual terrorists moving forward with real plots.
[...]
"The distractions are going well," the site reported. "The Americans are chasing those with video cameras believing them to be terrorists. That permits us to do our preparations undetected."
Last year, Miss Mansfield visited a mosque in Georgia that advertised an English and Arabic session on God and family. She attended the Arabic session where a man identified as Khaled recounted a New York flight. He and his friends acted suspicious and made simultaneous restroom runs to frighten passengers.
"He laughed when he described how several women were in tears, and one man sitting near him was praying," Miss Mansfield later wrote in an account of that meeting on her personal Web site.
[...]
"The distractions are going well," the site reported. "The Americans are chasing those with video cameras believing them to be terrorists. That permits us to do our preparations undetected."
Last year, Miss Mansfield visited a mosque in Georgia that advertised an English and Arabic session on God and family. She attended the Arabic session where a man identified as Khaled recounted a New York flight. He and his friends acted suspicious and made simultaneous restroom runs to frighten passengers.
"He laughed when he described how several women were in tears, and one man sitting near him was praying," Miss Mansfield later wrote in an account of that meeting on her personal Web site.
If you've got the stomach for it, check out her six-parter: Jihad In Small Town America. It reads like a True Confessions serial. Completely devoid of verifiability! Horrid syntax and grammar to boot.
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Sep 5, 2006 | 6:29 am
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Originally Posted by Spiff
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When someone violates my civil liberties, lies to me about the reasons for supposedly doing so and ignores technology that is available and actually does provide security, I get a little testy.
When someone violates my civil liberties, lies to me about the reasons for supposedly doing so and ignores technology that is available and actually does provide security, I get a little testy.
Sep 5, 2006 | 6:34 am
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Originally Posted by Dovster
From another thread, discussing the TS/S Forum:
Originally Posted by Randy Petersen
But if the forum is being used simply as a whipping ground for the TSA, then I think the goals and description of the forum ned to change, and change drastically. If one feels the TSA is the root of all incompetence, you can say it once and we'll all remember. But when any member repeats themselves for the 999th time, you're pretty much losing your audience because they can't hear themselves over you.
Sep 5, 2006 | 6:46 am
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Originally Posted by essxjay
BTW, this Laura Mansfield person is a real piece of work. From the cited link:
She is no expert except in her own mind. Absolutely no credentials other than the fact she blogs and can translate Arabic. Writer and commentator, indeed. Reprobate scaremonger more like it.
If you've got the stomach for it, check out her six-parter: Jihad In Small Town America. It reads like a True Confessions serial. Completely devoid of verifiability! Horrid syntax and grammar to boot.
She is no expert except in her own mind. Absolutely no credentials other than the fact she blogs and can translate Arabic. Writer and commentator, indeed. Reprobate scaremonger more like it.
If you've got the stomach for it, check out her six-parter: Jihad In Small Town America. It reads like a True Confessions serial. Completely devoid of verifiability! Horrid syntax and grammar to boot.
I view her as an Annie Jacobsen of sorts.
Then again, there is Douglas Hagmann of "NIN" and there's his usual "terrorists are everywhere" "probing" hysteria.
... so much money to be made, so little time.
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Sep 5, 2006 | 7:08 am
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Actually some good stuff at the tail end of the article
"We have to keep in mind the terrorists want to strike at our economy, and the airline industry is very weak. These diversions and cancellation of flights cost the airline industry a lot of money, and we have to look at that," Mr. Hagmann said.
Dave Mackett, an airline pilot and president of the Airline Pilots Security Alliance, says the diversions are costing airlines millions and leaves the industry vulnerable to lawsuits.
"This cannot be the new norm," Mr. Mackett said.
Daryle Elizabeth Lademan, an associate with DFI Corporate Services, says the economic threat comes from the burden on passengers who face stricter screening rules.
"The leisure traveler won't fly as much, the business traveler will teleconference more often or seek private air-travel options like charters, corporate jets, and fractional ownership providers," she said.
Dave Mackett, an airline pilot and president of the Airline Pilots Security Alliance, says the diversions are costing airlines millions and leaves the industry vulnerable to lawsuits.
"This cannot be the new norm," Mr. Mackett said.
Daryle Elizabeth Lademan, an associate with DFI Corporate Services, says the economic threat comes from the burden on passengers who face stricter screening rules.
"The leisure traveler won't fly as much, the business traveler will teleconference more often or seek private air-travel options like charters, corporate jets, and fractional ownership providers," she said.