"Security Feints": sad article
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Originally Posted by Bart
To underestimate the resourcefulness of international terrorists or downplay their intentions just because it causes inconveniences at the security checkpoint seems just as dumb, to me, as it is to overreact to every incident as a possible terrorist probe.
A. "underestimating" the resourcefulness of "international" terrorists (or downplaying "their" intentions)
and
B. overreacting to every incident as a possible terrorist probe.
That is, just because there is A does not mean there is always B (or vice versa).
We have a lot of B going on nowadays.
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Originally Posted by Bart
I wouldn't, however, dismiss the possibility of the bad guys conducting probes just because I had a bias against TSA. To underestimate the resourcefulness of international terrorists or downplay their intentions just because it causes inconveniences at the security checkpoint seems just as dumb, to me, as it is to overreact to every incident as a possible terrorist probe.
I think what's goig on here, as you alluded to as a possibility, is that in a heightened state of vigilence, everything looks suspicious. It doesn't mean that those activities are happening with any higher frequency than before, just that you are noticing them more.
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Originally Posted by Bart
Do you not read the posts in this forum? Many of the complaints are based on inconvenience prompted by the security measures. You see what you want to see; that much is clear.

Originally Posted by Bart
To say that airport security is not as effective as it could be is one thing; to say that it is a complete waste of time and not provide any specifics is to poo-poo the idea just because it causes inconveniences or violates a naive interpretation of civil liberties.
We get it all in this forum. Agreed?
We get it all in this forum. Agreed?
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Originally Posted by Bart
I agree for the most part that they are being noticed more. I don't discount that some are either deliberate feints, such as the incident in Houston, or are opportunities for observation. However, the majority of them are non-incidents that just happened to be noticed and perhaps reacted to by a news-hungry media.
As for the author's intent, good question. You sell more by implying that they're all out to get us rather than taking a level-headed approach. This is my biggest and single-most contempt against anyone who works for the news media.
As for the author's intent, good question. You sell more by implying that they're all out to get us rather than taking a level-headed approach. This is my biggest and single-most contempt against anyone who works for the news media.
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Originally Posted by Bart
when you have a point, please let me know 


Originally Posted by Bart
To say that airport security is not as effective as it could be is one thing; to say that it is a complete waste of time and not provide any specifics is to poo-poo the idea just because it causes inconveniences or violates a naive interpretation of civil liberties.
We get it all in this forum. Agreed?
We get it all in this forum. Agreed?
"No; by your own admission above, we don't get it all in this forum." Why is that? Because as your own example shows with
A. "airport security is not as effective as it could be is one thing"
and
B. "it is a complete waste of time and not provide any specifics is to poo-poo the idea just because it causes inconveniences or violates a naive interpretation of civil liberties"
there's little qualitative difference between the two except that the TSA-is-mostly-good crowd finds A to be a more substantive point while a good size of the TSA-is-mostly-a-waste crowd finds B to be a more substantive point. Of course disparaging the position of "the enemy" by seeing one as more substantive than the other thing is telling enough.

So we don't get it all, at least not all of the time.
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
She's not a counterterrorism expert -- by the measure of more than just her mistaken calls -- and she's not an Arabic expert -- by the measure of both her simple mistakes in translations and her injection of a political agenda into what should be simple translations. Then again, she's got her bank account and her affiliations which need satisfying.
As far as her political agendas - well it is not difficult to see where she is coming from - an axe to grind for her youthful mistakes
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Originally Posted by dodo
It just happened also that she was married to a Muslim whom she qualifies as a radical extremist and from whom she has managed to "escape" with her children.
As far as her political agendas - well it is not difficult to see where she is coming from - an axe to grind for her youthful mistakes
As far as her political agendas - well it is not difficult to see where she is coming from - an axe to grind for her youthful mistakes

This would be like OBL's alienated half-brother claiming to be a counterterrorism expert by measure of having been around his half-brother OBL before getting in a fight with him.
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
This would be like OBL's alienated half-brother claiming to be a counterterrorism expert by measure of having been around his half-brother OBL before getting in a fight with him. 

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Getting OT
The thread is getting off topic. My two cents:
1. I believe that terrorist types are conducting passive surveillence of security and are probably conducting dry runs of some kind or another. I've got no proof of this other than it's what I would be doing if I were working for a terrorist organization.
2. We will never know for sure unless we either catch someone in the act (hard to prove unless they are committing a crime) or someone admits to probing security (not bloody likely).
1. I believe that terrorist types are conducting passive surveillence of security and are probably conducting dry runs of some kind or another. I've got no proof of this other than it's what I would be doing if I were working for a terrorist organization.
2. We will never know for sure unless we either catch someone in the act (hard to prove unless they are committing a crime) or someone admits to probing security (not bloody likely).
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Originally Posted by etch5895
The thread is getting off topic. My two cents:
1. I believe that terrorist types are conducting passive surveillence of security and are probably conducting dry runs of some kind or another. I've got no proof of this other than it's what I would be doing if I were working for a terrorist organization.
2. We will never know for sure unless we either catch someone in the act (hard to prove unless they are committing a crime) or someone admits to probing security (not bloody likely).
1. I believe that terrorist types are conducting passive surveillence of security and are probably conducting dry runs of some kind or another. I've got no proof of this other than it's what I would be doing if I were working for a terrorist organization.
2. We will never know for sure unless we either catch someone in the act (hard to prove unless they are committing a crime) or someone admits to probing security (not bloody likely).
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Originally Posted by etch5895
1. I believe that terrorist types are conducting passive surveillence of security and are probably conducting dry runs of some kind or another. I've got no proof of this other than it's what I would be doing if I were working for a terrorist organization.
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Originally Posted by PhlyingRPh
Can you please tell us who these so called "terrorists" are that you speak of?

