Electronic devices ban Europe to the US [merged threads]
May 13, 2017, 9:48 am
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I tell you what, if the US goes ahead with this stupid ban, there will be reprisals I think. Countries who previously allowed visa free entry into a country will be demanding US citizens also apply for visa's and attend interviews at their embassy's and to produce bank statements/income tax statements and proof of employment and residency before they allow visa's for american's to visit or enter their country in a tit for tat.
May 13, 2017, 9:58 am
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Well it is also going to affect the US when they fly home. They will not be happy. Hopefully when the DHS speaks to the grown-ups next week this will all blow over (apart from whatever trivial rules they put in place to save face).
May 13, 2017, 10:02 am
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May 13, 2017, 10:04 am
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May 13, 2017, 10:09 am
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I would love to see that happen. Pushback from pilots, large businesses (not just the airlines), and (especially) other powerful governments is the only way to get this nonsense stopped. Ordinary citizens just don't have the power to make a significant difference (especially since a significant number of them LIKE security theater and won't protest it).
May 13, 2017, 10:25 am
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There are other reasons for them to do this anyway.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...mp-effect.html
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...mp-effect.html
May 13, 2017, 10:29 am
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It might be too late for this summer season, though. Plans are made, tickets are booked. Maybe the EU will force airlines to refund tickets due to drastically changed travel conditions.
May 13, 2017, 10:34 am
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May 13, 2017, 10:50 am
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If fewer camera-toting visitors from Europe and/or Asia come to the American southwest, the senators and other congress critters from the fine states of Arizona and Utah might see some upset people back home. When I visit the NPs, every other person seems to be speaking German.
It seems most citizens who are not frequent flyers are big fans of security theater - anything to keep our skies safe.
How many parts of security theater have been rolled back?
Our main hope at the moment is the EU. I fear the compromise between no large electronics in the cabin and no large lithium in the hold will be no electronics larger than a cell phone on airplanes, period.
May 13, 2017, 10:59 am
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I think precheck is an example of a rollback. (of course, the way it was implemented was just illustrating how much of security *is* theater)
May 13, 2017, 11:42 am
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Stealing checked laptops
My biggest worry is theft. At Ezeiza airport in Buenos Aires this year a band of airport employees was discovered stealing, on a regular basis, from checked bags. This sort of thing will only get worse if thieves know that all laptops must be checked.
May 13, 2017, 12:09 pm
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This is ridiculous. The lost productivity is the least of my worries - not that's it's not also a problem - but the risk of THEFT is the Big One. I travel to do wildlife photography - My $2000 laptop is the cheapest thing I worry about being stolen. I don't own any camera bodies that cost less than $3000 and I have some that are $6000, and I always bring multiple camera bodies for backup.
We can only hope that the business community will make enough noise about this to stop it dead in its tracks. People always complain that big business has too much influence over government but this is a case where they could put that influence to good use!
And who says it's safer in the hold, anyway? Both the Air India bombing and the Lockerbie bombing were by explosives in the hold.
We can only hope that the business community will make enough noise about this to stop it dead in its tracks. People always complain that big business has too much influence over government but this is a case where they could put that influence to good use!
And who says it's safer in the hold, anyway? Both the Air India bombing and the Lockerbie bombing were by explosives in the hold.
May 13, 2017, 12:19 pm
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This is ridiculous. The lost productivity is the least of my worries - not that's it's not also a problem - but the risk of THEFT is the Big One. I travel to do wildlife photography - My $2000 laptop is the cheapest thing I worry about being stolen. I don't own any camera bodies that cost less than $3000 and I have some that are $6000, and I always bring multiple camera bodies for backup.
We can only hope that the business community will make enough noise about this to stop it dead in its tracks. People always complain that big business has too much influence over government but this is a case where they could put that influence to good use!
And who says it's safer in the hold, anyway? Both the Air India bombing and the Lockerbie bombing were by explosives in the hold.
We can only hope that the business community will make enough noise about this to stop it dead in its tracks. People always complain that big business has too much influence over government but this is a case where they could put that influence to good use!
And who says it's safer in the hold, anyway? Both the Air India bombing and the Lockerbie bombing were by explosives in the hold.
Anyways looks like it's mainly the EU airline security people who pushed back, not wanting all those devices with lithium batteries in the cargo hold. They demanded an urgent meeting, which is why the ban didn't go into effect on 5/11/17 as originally rumored.
Now if DHS says the ban for the Middle East hasn't caused problems, you had all those flights from there were devices in their cargo holds, then the EU people may not have a leg to stand on.
May 13, 2017, 12:28 pm
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From today's Financial Times
https://www.ft.com/content/8f743388-...4-9023f8c0fd2e
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https://www.ft.com/content/8f743388-...4-9023f8c0fd2e
Under UN rules, passengers are not allowed spare lithium-ion batteries in the hold after flight safety experts found that when packed tightly together, they can self-ignite and burn. Overheated batteries can also give off fumes and explode on board.
One European aviation official said that moving a laptop into the hold would make “no difference” if a bomb were hidden inside it, adding “cabin luggage is scanned more rigorously than hold luggage — some hold bags are not scanned at all”.
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