Electronic devices ban Europe to the US [merged threads]
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It would probably solve the problem of business flyers needing to have their laptops on board.
Emirates reported a 82% drop in profits and blamed the electronics ban for it.
So the airlines may have to make contributions to get this exemption for their F and J passengers.
Emirates reported a 82% drop in profits and blamed the electronics ban for it.
So the airlines may have to make contributions to get this exemption for their F and J passengers.
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Genuine question to those who have these restrictions.
1. When you go to dinner you don't leave your laptop in your hotel room?
2. When you go to the gym, you carry your laptop from station to station?
3. When you go to the pool you have the laptop on the deck near your hands?
4. If you are single you take your laptop with you to other people's rooms if you have a meaningful encounter, which means you had the laptop with you in the bar when you met the person?
1. When you go to dinner you don't leave your laptop in your hotel room?
2. When you go to the gym, you carry your laptop from station to station?
3. When you go to the pool you have the laptop on the deck near your hands?
4. If you are single you take your laptop with you to other people's rooms if you have a meaningful encounter, which means you had the laptop with you in the bar when you met the person?
And I will add my voice to this collective lament of my nation's utter inability to accurately and appropriately assess risk when it comes to aviation (not to mention vast swaths of our daily lives.)
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GE members automatically qualify for TSA Pre, but neither program has anything to do with what a pax can or can't take on the plane or bring into the country.
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Something else hit me while I was working today. The saving on this may actually come from the companies that are investing in aircraft wifi. It's big money and if folks don't have access to their usual electronics what happens to these companies business models and their business. What happens to the billions the airlines spent procuring installing and certifying these systems?
Lets hope that the EU holds firm on their rumored position of no batteries like these in the hold.
Lets hope that the EU holds firm on their rumored position of no batteries like these in the hold.
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Something else hit me while I was working today. The saving on this may actually come from the companies that are investing in aircraft wifi. It's big money and if folks don't have access to their usual electronics what happens to these companies business models and their business. What happens to the billions the airlines spent procuring installing and certifying these systems?
Lets hope that the EU holds firm on their rumored position of no batteries like these in the hold.
Lets hope that the EU holds firm on their rumored position of no batteries like these in the hold.
Pan Am 103 victims would surely disagree.
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I don't think you understand the threat. Furthermore, if you're THAT concerned about safety then don't fly. Or fly on an airline where all passengers are catheterized and rendered unconscious before the flight commences. That would be safe.
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As I have said above, the limits are coming. We are not going to like them, but they are coming, and there is very little we can do to stop them. The likely solution is going to be two electronic devices with one bigger than a phone. Watches and the like are likely not going to be considered "electronic" devices under the ban, but it is possible that some of them might be.
Once again the TSA is doing the terrorists job for them.
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As always, we should assess the seriousness of the threat and the costs and benefits of dealing with the threat. Clearly as a society, we are not willing to pay an infinite amount to prevent threats to life - see policies on cars and guns, for example. We're willing to allow tens of thousands of deaths to get the benefits of driving and shooting. Is the life of an airplane passenger really worth that much more than the life of a car passenger?
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I was blasted here for bringing up how MULTIPLE firearms and other things make it past TSA screeners and we have the attitude to point to other countries and tell them how to do things when they've done it better for years.
Compromise would be 100% screening of portable electronics via explosive detection devices (which are in use for secondary screening today). EU can have that up fairly quick based on the equipment being familiar to screening employees today. It does add to the screening burden and time taken but if done right - e.g. electronics in color coded trays, those trays go to secondary always, etc. it could be minimal delays if the staffing handles out.
Right now our government is saying put them in the hold an the EU is rightly fighting this back as "NO - that's a bigger risk with LiIon issues and fire potential"
I give it a month and we will see 100% screening of PED's worldwide - will add 1 min to screening each pax - that 1 min means propagated MORE delays unless staffed up to being PED screening into the process.
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Wasn't that bomb in the hold? Putting laptops in the hold isn't going to prevent bombings. Good screening will go a long way towards preventing them, though of course nothing is perfect.
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My Kindle is thinner than my phone and only a half an inch taller and wider. I'm sure screeners will say "not allowed." Mind you, there are phones larger than that Kindle.
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I do think the evidence points to some sort of modified ban that allows business travel to still be workable while limiting the known risks that have been acknowledged by most. My suggestion of two devices is based on logistics and the prior handling of the last ban like this the liquid ban. They eventually found something that worked for 98% of travelers. I think that is the goal that we should be aiming for. Given that we it's 99.9% sure that the ban is coming.
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