Electronic devices ban Europe to the US [merged threads]
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In terms of implementation, I do believe that there will be a phase in of the rule. It all depends on what the EU does on their end. If they hold fast to the not in the cargo hold, we could see about a month delay in the implementation from when it is launched. The reactions of the Asian countries probably won't matter much at all.
There are a number of possibilities. One is a mindset that says that terrorists want to kill Americans on American soil more than they want to kill foreigners (you know, like people in Paris or Brussels or Berlin or Stockholm). So the US has to have super-duper extra special security measures because they're the only really target. (Any sensible non-American 8-year-old can demolish this argument.)
A second is that the US government is more willing to spend squillions of taxpayer dollars on useless security theatre, and US taxpayers are less likely to object, than the gov't and citizens of other countries.
The third is that US airport security is the laughingstock of the rest of the world and there's no way we're following suit.
Pick one.
For that matter, the whole first verse of the anthem is a series of questions. Which, when you think about it, says something about US self-confidence.
"Some"? I would say "most". Certainly in Australia, SE Asia and Europe.
Where is this evidence?
I wonder if this is just a temporary thing, at least at this magnitude, until DHS, TSA, etc. can develop a better detection method for electronics disguised explosives.
Hopefully they realize the inconvenience this will cause and while they feel they need to act immediately, they can find a better solution to the problem long term.
Hopefully they realize the inconvenience this will cause and while they feel they need to act immediately, they can find a better solution to the problem long term.
2007: IdiotBoy Hawley: "Liquid limits to be eliminated
TSA Spokes-idiot Sterling Payne in Sept 2009: "Liquid limits for at least another year."
Blogdad Bob in Oct 2009: "We haven't really figured out how to screen medically necessary liquids much less shampoo and water. Don't hold your breath."
Tagesschau.de: "Liquid limits to be eliminated in 2012."
Antonio Tajani: "Liquid limits to be eliminated soon, at least by 2014 (by which date I'll be outta here)."
So I guess in 2014 we'll know for sure whether they'll eliminate the liquid ban as promised...
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better idea... scrap this stupid idea and have the different colour trays, for extra scanning
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(1) My guess is that there was an attempt to get this rolled out for yesterday but the EU balked and the timetable went out the window.
(2) I've got to wonder what happens if the EU simply refuses to allow all the electronics in the hold leaving Europe (and indeed, if we might not see AUH fall in line with them). Setting aside the fact that this effectively runs afoul of some of the checked/hand baggage requirements as to what can go where (for example, BA's current rules bar spare laptop batteries from checked baggage), I suspect that there are quite a few Europeans who might be looking to stick it to the US at the moment and this would be a convenient place to do so: Making this stick to a couple of airports in the Middle East and primarily affecting state-owned carriers is one thing, making it stick to Europe when Europe could throw a spanner in the works and those governments aren't going to end up directly on the hook if non-compliance hits their airlines is another.
(2) I've got to wonder what happens if the EU simply refuses to allow all the electronics in the hold leaving Europe (and indeed, if we might not see AUH fall in line with them). Setting aside the fact that this effectively runs afoul of some of the checked/hand baggage requirements as to what can go where (for example, BA's current rules bar spare laptop batteries from checked baggage), I suspect that there are quite a few Europeans who might be looking to stick it to the US at the moment and this would be a convenient place to do so: Making this stick to a couple of airports in the Middle East and primarily affecting state-owned carriers is one thing, making it stick to Europe when Europe could throw a spanner in the works and those governments aren't going to end up directly on the hook if non-compliance hits their airlines is another.
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I tell you what, if the US goes ahead with this stupid ban, there will be reprisals I think. Countries who previously allowed visa free entry into a country will be demanding US citizens also apply for visa's and attend interviews at their embassy's and to produce bank statements/income tax statements and proof of employment and residency before they allow visa's for american's to visit or enter their country in a tit for tat.
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I tell you what, if the US goes ahead with this stupid ban, there will be reprisals I think. Countries who previously allowed visa free entry into a country will be demanding US citizens also apply for visa's and attend interviews at their embassy's and to produce bank statements/income tax statements and proof of employment and residency before they allow visa's for american's to visit or enter their country in a tit for tat.
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I think it was beyond the 'on the radar' phase. Thus why Delta had an actual printed sign ready to go. However the big 3 have major lobbying power AND the EU likely balked hard on this supposed change. The combination likely blew up the plan/roll out completely and might just make a re-think of the idea.
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I tell you what, if the US goes ahead with this stupid ban, there will be reprisals I think. Countries who previously allowed visa free entry into a country will be demanding US citizens also apply for visa's and attend interviews at their embassy's and to produce bank statements/income tax statements and proof of employment and residency before they allow visa's for american's to visit or enter their country in a tit for tat.
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I'm not sure fewer foreigners coming to the US or fewer US persons visiting other countries will matter to those who make policy, even if it does hurt the economy. Especially if my only effective vote is to travel within the US but not outside it.