TSA overstepping in Denver [gate searches of flight with women headed to DC march]
Feb 3, 2017, 11:21 am
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The books were in checked bags. TSA is learning to warn against certain items in Checked bags.
The most recent concerns the Super Bowl to be held in Houston, Texas.
From the Houston Chronicle:
Why Super Bowl programs could slow visitors' departures from Houston airports
Attention Super Bowl-goers: Don't pack your gameday programs in checked luggage when leaving from Bush Intercontinental or Hobby Airports. "That souvenir will cause a gridlock to our baggage system," said Gerry Phelan, the Transportation Security Administration's federal security director at Bush Intercontinental.
The most recent concerns the Super Bowl to be held in Houston, Texas.
From the Houston Chronicle:
Why Super Bowl programs could slow visitors' departures from Houston airports
Attention Super Bowl-goers: Don't pack your gameday programs in checked luggage when leaving from Bush Intercontinental or Hobby Airports. "That souvenir will cause a gridlock to our baggage system," said Gerry Phelan, the Transportation Security Administration's federal security director at Bush Intercontinental.
Every single one.
This stupid warning just transfers gridlock from the baggage search area to the checkpoint area. One wonders if Super-bowl fans will face the 100% searches that the sorority sisters did.
Feb 3, 2017, 12:04 pm
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How thick is a Super Bowl program? And what kind of x-ray can see through metal but not a program likely thicker than a couple of magazines?
I'm not so sure that its technology that's the problem on this kind of thing.
I'm not so sure that its technology that's the problem on this kind of thing.
Feb 3, 2017, 6:17 pm
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I have read somewhere that it's because most paper is 'organic' - processed wood. Books or piles of paper, particularly thin paper, are both dense and 'organic'. It's supposedly similar to the reason cheese in blocks will get pulled for inspection - it's a dense 'organic' that some xrays/operators can't distinguish from a block of some kind of explosive.
Feb 3, 2017, 8:45 pm
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I have read somewhere that it's because most paper is 'organic' - processed wood. Books or piles of paper, particularly thin paper, are both dense and 'organic'. It's supposedly similar to the reason cheese in blocks will get pulled for inspection - it's a dense 'organic' that some xrays/operators can't distinguish from a block of some kind of explosive.
Feb 4, 2017, 9:24 am
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Rather than identify the offending item and allow people to go on their way, TSA chooses to tear bags apart and grope passengers, which causes the gridlock.
BTW, more reports are surfacing of TSA doing further screening at time of boarding, the latest was checking IDs against boarding passes.
Feb 4, 2017, 10:48 am
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Link to verifiable report(s)?
Feb 4, 2017, 10:59 am
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What would you consider a "verifiable report"? A statement from TSA that they are doing gate checks at airports A, B & C? There's a great deal on twitter that is garbage but I do find reports of gate checks on twitter to be valid.
Feb 5, 2017, 9:41 am
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And your evidence is? You have not provided any verifiable information to support your claims...I have. The books were in checked bags.
Other evidences that TSA will warn against programs in a checked bags.
2015 TSA: Super Bowl programs should go in carry-on bags
2015 Phoenix Sky Harbor to Welcome Record Number of Super Bowl XLIX Visitors If you have a Super Bowl program, please place it in your carry-on bag
In 2013 (abouts) a NASCAR event was held in Arizona, and I can recall seeing signs at the ticket counters about not putting the NASCAR Programs in the checked bags.
Feb 5, 2017, 10:17 am
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And your evidence is? You have not provided any verifiable information to support your claims...I have. The books were in checked bags.
Other evidences that TSA will warn against programs in a checked bags.
2015 TSA: Super Bowl programs should go in carry-on bags
2015 Phoenix Sky Harbor to Welcome Record Number of Super Bowl XLIX Visitors If you have a Super Bowl program, please place it in your carry-on bag
In 2013 (abouts) a NASCAR event was held in Arizona, and I can recall seeing signs at the ticket counters about not putting the NASCAR Programs in the checked bags.
Other evidences that TSA will warn against programs in a checked bags.
2015 TSA: Super Bowl programs should go in carry-on bags
2015 Phoenix Sky Harbor to Welcome Record Number of Super Bowl XLIX Visitors If you have a Super Bowl program, please place it in your carry-on bag
In 2013 (abouts) a NASCAR event was held in Arizona, and I can recall seeing signs at the ticket counters about not putting the NASCAR Programs in the checked bags.
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-te...by-6415830.php
Feb 5, 2017, 10:54 pm
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If the books were in checked bags, then why were there delays at checkpoints and "lines out the door"?
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-te...by-6415830.php
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-te...by-6415830.php
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Feb 6, 2017, 4:58 am
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Any links to verifiable reports supporting that conclusion?
Feb 6, 2017, 6:35 am
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Let's go to math camp...
Extra screening takes 5 minutes (Probably more, might be slightly less)
60,000 passengers per day. (Source Denver Post on traffic)
20% Extra x 60,000 = 12,000
12,000 x 5 minutes = 60,000 minutes
So if 20% of passengers needed 5 extra (unplanned) minutes...
20% Extra = 1,000 EXTRA (uplanned) man hours PER DAY
10% Extra = 500 EXTRA (uplanned) man hours PER DAY
5% Extra = 250 EXTRA (uplanned) man hours PER DAY
Safe to say that would put lies out the door.
As Marshall from HIMYM would say... Lawyered!
Extra screening takes 5 minutes (Probably more, might be slightly less)
60,000 passengers per day. (Source Denver Post on traffic)
20% Extra x 60,000 = 12,000
12,000 x 5 minutes = 60,000 minutes
So if 20% of passengers needed 5 extra (unplanned) minutes...
20% Extra = 1,000 EXTRA (uplanned) man hours PER DAY
10% Extra = 500 EXTRA (uplanned) man hours PER DAY
5% Extra = 250 EXTRA (uplanned) man hours PER DAY
Safe to say that would put lies out the door.
As Marshall from HIMYM would say... Lawyered!
Feb 6, 2017, 7:45 am
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Let's go to math camp...
Extra screening takes 5 minutes (Probably more, might be slightly less)
60,000 passengers per day. (Source Denver Post on traffic)
20% Extra x 60,000 = 12,000
12,000 x 5 minutes = 60,000 minutes
So if 20% of passengers needed 5 extra (unplanned) minutes...
20% Extra = 1,000 EXTRA (uplanned) man hours PER DAY
10% Extra = 500 EXTRA (uplanned) man hours PER DAY
5% Extra = 250 EXTRA (uplanned) man hours PER DAY
Safe to say that would put lies out the door.
As Marshall from HIMYM would say... Lawyered!
Extra screening takes 5 minutes (Probably more, might be slightly less)
60,000 passengers per day. (Source Denver Post on traffic)
20% Extra x 60,000 = 12,000
12,000 x 5 minutes = 60,000 minutes
So if 20% of passengers needed 5 extra (unplanned) minutes...
20% Extra = 1,000 EXTRA (uplanned) man hours PER DAY
10% Extra = 500 EXTRA (uplanned) man hours PER DAY
5% Extra = 250 EXTRA (uplanned) man hours PER DAY
Safe to say that would put lies out the door.
As Marshall from HIMYM would say... Lawyered!
Not at all out of the realm of likely possibilities to accept many checked them and many carried them on. Even 20% - 30% of more than normal secondary screening would certainly result in "lines out the door". (Maybe 10% above norm.)
Feb 6, 2017, 8:26 am
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Fair enough. I was going off the post that seemed to indicate a massive influx of checks in a short period of time. Absolutely true I took a stab at the amount. But thinking about it logically, if a huge group came at a peak time, while the overall number of hours needed could go down significantly, the percent over norm of additional screening would go up dramatically in those few hours, thus creating the 'out the door' problem.