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Old Feb 27, 2013 | 5:59 am
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Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer
I posted this in the other thread, so I'll paraphrase:

1) Contractors will feel it first, depending on the contract. Not sure whether MCI and SFO are contracted with TSA or the airports - if with TSA, then hit first.... if with the airports, then likely no effect.

2) The administration controls the personnel (absent direct laws mandating specific staffing). They can (and will) staff in a way that increases delays materially to make the other party look bad. It will backfire if there is documented evidence that they are deliberately reducing staffing to increase delays to make other party look bad. If, on the other hand, make the case that this is just in-kind fallout from the sequestration, it will in fact make the other party look bad. There's a fine line, and make no mistake that they will make it just bad enough to make folks squeal but not so bad that they get blamed.

3) Expect it to hit pre-check first as the few folks that use that are considered "privileged" and are expected to wield the most influence on the hill. The lines are seen by the public as overstaffed relative to the numbers processed (that's the failing of the agency to approve enough folks, but that's also a different argument). The net effect will be to make the regular lines longer and delay folks.

4) From the Global Entry perspective, I'd still expect GE to function normally, though they may shut the expedited Customs function. Meaning you'll still save some time unless you get the X, but not as much as normal. I'd also expect longer Customs lines as I'd expect them to understaff the regular exits.
On the flip side, this is a golden opportunity for them to make a big pitch to get more sheeple to sign up for GE & Pre-Check. Sequestration could turn out to be a big money-maker for DHS.

As a guy who is in the national security/first response business, the timing of the sequestration was not lost on me. It's a quiet disaster period and is generally a time when federal agencies prepare for the coming year by cutting costs anyway. We're past hurricane season, we're about 6-8 weeks from the big tornado/thunderstorm season, and, snowstorms are mostly a state & local problem. The only things that could throw a monkey wrench into the political machine would be a major west coast earthquake or a west coast volcano that decides to blow its top. Both could happen in Alaska, but there aren't that many people up there to take care of.
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Old Feb 27, 2013 | 6:00 am
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Originally Posted by HawaiiTrvlr
If DHS is like the DOD, the first furlough will be sometime in late April. I do think that it depends on how each department implements their cutbacks. Good thing I am not flying anytime soon.
That's where things get messy, generally title 5 employees have to get their 30 days notice for furloughs... but... TSA likes to highlight that TSOs are exempt employees, so they may try to apply their policy: http://www.tsa.gov/video/pdfs/mds/TS...NAL_090515.pdf which only requires 7 days notice.

So 3/1/13 will be like any other day.... it'll be 3/8/13 or April when the staffing would be affected.
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Old Feb 27, 2013 | 7:10 am
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We may be assuming they would follow procedure. All they have to do is not schedule enough people and when things back up scream "Sequester!"

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Old Feb 27, 2013 | 7:32 am
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How bad is it going to be this weekend? The administration is threatening to take it out on us fliers. Janet suggested waits as long as 4 hours!!
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Old Feb 27, 2013 | 7:59 am
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Answer this question:

Is it within the administration's mode of operation to create havoc so they can blame it on the opposition?

If yes, then there will be problems. If no, they are blowing smoke.

If the sequester continues, I will be greatly surprised and pleased if the administration with the cooperation of the media do not maximize the perception of the problems just for political effects. It is what politicians of both parties usually do.
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Old Feb 27, 2013 | 8:19 am
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
Government manpower cuts won't hit until April. That's when things will get interesting.
If even then. If the local media is correct, there's a 30-day notice period before furloughs start, and there is an appeal process. Headline on WTOP today was "Appealing your furlough". http://www.wtop.com/1303/3234553/Fur...-your-furlough


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
On the flip side, this is a golden opportunity for them to make a big pitch to get more sheeple to sign up for GE & Pre-Check. Sequestration could turn out to be a big money-maker for DHS.
This would also be a perfect time for local airports to propose contract screeners with the city/airlines paying for the screeners. The Administration would oppose it, but doing so would make the Administration look bad. Since the cities feed at the Federal trough, it's not likely that they would push for contract screeners.
As a guy who is in the national security/first response business, the timing of the sequestration was not lost on me. It's a quiet disaster period and is generally a time when federal agencies prepare for the coming year by cutting costs anyway. We're past hurricane season, we're about 6-8 weeks from the big tornado/thunderstorm season, and, snowstorms are mostly a state & local problem. The only things that could throw a monkey wrench into the political machine would be a major west coast earthquake or a west coast volcano that decides to blow its top. Both could happen in Alaska, but there aren't that many people up there to take care of.
No question that the timing was carefully set for political reasons.

Originally Posted by InkUnderNails
Answer this question:

Is it within the administration's mode of operation to create havoc so they can blame it on the opposition?
Yes. Ultimately the Administration is responsible for implementation. They can implement it in a way that amplifies the public impact.
If yes, then there will be problems. If no, they are blowing smoke.

If the sequester continues, I will be greatly surprised and pleased if the administration with the cooperation of the media do not maximize the perception of the problems just for political effects. It is what politicians of both parties usually do.
Your last point is dead-on. As an example, the media is focusing on the Administration's demand for higher taxes on the wealthy, but completely ignoring the fact that they already got higher taxes. The media will focus on the inconvenience to the public, with air travel being a most visible sign.... and that's been particularly true for February, which is sweeps (ratings) month. If this drags on past April, we get into sweeps again....
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Old Feb 27, 2013 | 8:50 am
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Originally Posted by Bowgie
Frankly, we could just pay all of the TSA people to stay home, and that would be a win all the way around -- they don't have to work for a paycheck and we don't have to get hassled.
The bolded bit - I think you have an inference problem with your statement there.
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Old Feb 27, 2013 | 9:31 am
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What is the $10 fee per roundtrip ticket for? I thought the airline passengers themselves paid for TSA.
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Old Feb 27, 2013 | 10:49 am
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Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer
No question that the timing was carefully set for political reasons.
I'm not so certain ... given that (a) the original idea was that the sequester wouldn't happen at all, and (b) much of US government action appears to succeed on the basis of dumb luck, I'd be much more likely to believe that the timing of the sequester was accidental, rather than intentional ...
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Old Feb 27, 2013 | 3:37 pm
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Originally Posted by LivelyFL
What is the $10 fee per roundtrip ticket for? I thought the airline passengers themselves paid for TSA.
Indeed. Whatever percentage of the screening operation that's covered by the fees should not be touched by the sequester. Unless the fees also drop in lockstep with the budget? Nah.
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Old Feb 27, 2013 | 5:37 pm
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Originally Posted by LivelyFL
What is the $10 fee per roundtrip ticket for? I thought the airline passengers themselves paid for TSA.
Originally Posted by TheRoadie
Indeed. Whatever percentage of the screening operation that's covered by the fees should not be touched by the sequester. Unless the fees also drop in lockstep with the budget? Nah.
Yeah, for some reason the sequester does not apply to extortion.
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Old Feb 28, 2013 | 7:54 am
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Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer
1) Contractors will feel it first, depending on the contract. Not sure whether MCI and SFO are contracted with TSA or the airports - if with TSA, then hit first.... if with the airports, then likely no effect.
Any idea what the durations of the screening contracts are?

One federal (DoD type) contractor around here was claiming that he was unlikely to be impacted because the contract had already been paid for the year (presumably fiscal year), so there was no reason to quit working, take furloughs, etc. If the "cuts" last, there might be issues with future contracts, but he seemed to think the current one was pretty safe.
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Old Feb 28, 2013 | 9:15 am
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Originally Posted by studentff
Any idea what the durations of the screening contracts are?

One federal (DoD type) contractor around here was claiming that he was unlikely to be impacted because the contract had already been paid for the year (presumably fiscal year), so there was no reason to quit working, take furloughs, etc. If the "cuts" last, there might be issues with future contracts, but he seemed to think the current one was pretty safe.
I work on contracts but not government contracts. Paid for the year through September? Sweet. I bet he means guaranteed or pre-approved through the year, which is a government promise that can be broken. If not, sweet gig.
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Old Feb 28, 2013 | 3:27 pm
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Originally Posted by studentff
Any idea what the durations of the screening contracts are?

One federal (DoD type) contractor around here was claiming that he was unlikely to be impacted because the contract had already been paid for the year (presumably fiscal year), so there was no reason to quit working, take furloughs, etc. If the "cuts" last, there might be issues with future contracts, but he seemed to think the current one was pretty safe.
It depends.

Virtually ALL Federal contracts provide for cancellation at the "convenience of the Government". So, regardless of term, they can be canceled upon whatever notice is required in the contract clauses.

I should add that contract screeners that are contracted by the airport/local authorities (rather than by TSA) will not be affected by the sequestration unless the local government obtains the funding from the Feds.
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Old Feb 28, 2013 | 3:40 pm
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Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer
It depends.

Virtually ALL Federal contracts provide for cancellation at the "convenience of the Government". So, regardless of term, they can be canceled upon whatever notice is required in the contract clauses.

I should add that contract screeners that are contracted by the airport/local authorities (rather than by TSA) will not be affected by the sequestration unless the local government obtains the funding from the Feds.
The privatized screening companies sign contracts with TSA not the local airport/government.

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