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dan1431 Jun 9, 2012 7:45 pm

Recently, the gentleman in front of me was of Thai decent and we started talking while waiting on-line in Term E. @ IAH about what a pain TSA is and how much is just a horse and pony show.

He said, since they started asking pax to say their name, he has started to come up with unusual last names for himself that are totally incorrect to prove a point, that saying ones name is totally useless. Since he has an Thai last name and I would wager that very few TSA employees are familiar with the Thai language, they have no idea if the name he provides is even remotely close to the name on the paper and I guess that is his point, that a name on a paper does not constitute security and simply saying that name out loud does not prove anything, other than one can read.

Dan

saulblum Jun 9, 2012 8:12 pm


Originally Posted by dan1431 (Post 18728886)
Recently, the gentleman in front of me was of Thai decent and we started talking while waiting on-line in Term E. @ IAH about what a pain TSA is and how much is just a horse and pony show.

Clearly, in the TSA's minds, anyone with more than two syllables in their name is a potential terrorist.


Originally Posted by dan1431 (Post 18728886)
He said, since they started asking pax to say their name, he has started to come up with unusual last names for himself that are totally incorrect to prove a point, that saying ones name is totally useless. Since he has an Thai last name and I would wager that very few TSA employees are familiar with the Thai language, they have no idea if the name he provides is even remotely close to the name on the paper and I guess that is his point, that a name on a paper does not constitute security and simply saying that name out loud does not prove anything, other than one can read.

You give some TDCs too much credit.

Pesky Monkey Jun 9, 2012 8:34 pm


Originally Posted by cbn42 (Post 18725396)
Cottonmather, I'm a bit confused. Did you just pronounce your name slightly differently, or did you say something completely different? Saying "Thabeedocks" when your boarding pass says "Thibideaux" is one thing, saying "Smith" when your boarding pass says "Jones" is entirely different.

If the latter, then as I said before, they had more than enough reason to believe you were using fake ID. They could have confiscated it and sent it back to the DMV. Heck, even a bartender could have done that.

Really? You'll never make it as an ID checker at a bar lol.

N1120A Jun 10, 2012 2:47 am

There is no way 99% of TSA types know the correct pronunciation of my last name. That's because 99% of people out there don't know without being told and/or practicing for at least a while. I've even made that a point when faced with this.

TDC: State/Pronounce your name
N1120A: What's the point, you can't say it anyway?


Originally Posted by dimramon (Post 18724498)
A document checker played the name game with me at SFO some time ago.
I told him my name was "smith'. He asked if I was sure, and after my affirmative response, he called over a supervisor.
I explained my rationale (theater, as well as a security risk), and the supervisor said I didn't have to say my name if I didn't want to. He told the screener they can't force me to say my name.

Was this an older (probably in his 70s), white-haired 3 striper? If so, I know who you are talking about and agree that he was fantastic. Unfortunately, he retired about a year ago.

Richelieu Jun 10, 2012 7:47 am


Originally Posted by saulblum (Post 18728973)
Clearly, in the TSA's minds, anyone with more than two syllables in their name is a potential terrorist.

TSA (and most people) can botch the pronounciation of even a two-syllables name. Hotel clerks routinely use my name with the English pronunciation of the two syllables, none of which is right.

Richelieu Jun 10, 2012 7:51 am


Originally Posted by cbn42 (Post 18725396)
Cottonmather, I'm a bit confused. Did you just pronounce your name slightly differently, or did you say something completely different? Saying "Thabeedocks" when your boarding pass says "Thibideaux" is one thing, saying "Smith" when your boarding pass says "Jones" is entirely different.

If the latter, then as I said before, they had more than enough reason to believe you were using fake ID.

And if the former? Or worse, saying Thibideaux (as short i, long o) and having the TSA employee expect Thee-bee-docks?

yyzvoyageur Jun 10, 2012 11:21 am


Originally Posted by cordelli (Post 18726404)
I've never understood the purpose of threads like this.

Ha I showed them.

I gave a name that didn't match my boarding pass and ID

They would not let me in.

I called the police over

They would also not let me in.

I showed them good.



Yup, you sure did.

A much more eloquent way of saying what I was going to: that the OP was behaving like a petulant child and was treated as such. Way to go!

GUWonder Jun 10, 2012 12:21 pm


Originally Posted by yyzvoyageur (Post 18731553)
A much more eloquent way of saying what I was going to: that the OP was behaving like a petulant child and was treated as such. Way to go!

Actually that characterizes the TSA not the OP.

tanja Jun 10, 2012 12:48 pm

I have a swedish name. It is spelt in swedish. It is pronounced in swedish.

Americans try a lot of times to make it their "version" of the name.

They try to make it spanish (live in Ca.) Or get a english version.

Both those names are totally names on their own.
Interesting next time I fly.

Wally Bird Jun 10, 2012 12:54 pm


Originally Posted by yyzvoyageur (Post 18731553)
A much more eloquent way of saying what I was going to: that the OP was behaving like a petulant child and was treated as such. Way to go!

The voice of The Man.

yyzvoyageur Jun 10, 2012 1:23 pm


Originally Posted by Wally Bird (Post 18731950)
The voice of The Man.

No, the voice of reason.

FlyingDiver Jun 10, 2012 1:37 pm

What happens if you indicate to the TDC that you can't talk? If you have laryngitis, for example? Or think you have a case coming on, and don't want to risk it? ;)

joe

OldGoat Jun 10, 2012 2:08 pm


Originally Posted by FlyingDiver (Post 18732116)
What happens if you indicate to the TDC that you can't talk? If you have laryngitis, for example? Or think you have a case coming on, and don't want to risk it? ;)

joe

This is a good question deserving of an answer. I read somewhere that those who are mute are waved through. Although I am not mute, I do have a speech block that simply isn't predictable. Sometimes starting with hard sounds, like the first sound of my name, is extraordinarily difficult. I may speak to someone in the line, then not be able to say my name when asked.

If I have a difficult time saying my name, how long with TSA keep me there helplessly trying to make a sound?

cottonmather0 Jun 10, 2012 5:34 pm

OP here.

Went through MAF today on my way back to IAH. TDC was pleasant until she asked me where I was going. After I repeated three times, "It's on my boarding pass," she said, "I'm not trying to be difficult sir." Didn't once try to intimidate me with "policy" or "procedure" or DY...T?

We had a 15 second silent staredown, then she sighed and gave me gigantic red squiggles and handed me my docs back. I think I could see the steam coming out of her ears when I tossed the BP in the trash bin next to her.

Got to the Dragon, he asked for my BP. I started digging around in my bag for the second one I had printed. He just smiled and said, "Oh, that's OK sir."

The grope was pleasant and the groper was nice and polite.

Don't tell me this TDC nonsense isn't mostly just a power trip with the plastic badge.

WillCAD Jun 10, 2012 6:38 pm


Originally Posted by yyzvoyageur (Post 18732056)
No, the voice of reason.

Those who advocate surrender to authority, particularly when the authority is unreasonable, abusive, or illegal, often use that tired old line.

Although I don't have the guts to engage in these acts of civil disobedience myself, I applaud those who do. They are standing up for the rights and freedoms of all, at some risk to themselves. How is that "unreasonable"?


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