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Originally Posted by SFOSpiff
(Post 16862960)
I can't believe no one has tried to make a Uranus joke yet. :D
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Originally Posted by SFOSpiff
(Post 16860053)
They could. That's the fine print about these new trusted traveler and BDO programs - they're supposed to speed up your screening, but it does not mean you're exempt.
People are getting excited about Trusted Traveler but it does not guarantee you will never be groped or NoS'd. 'Trusted traveller' absolutely doesn't mean no grope. If a 'trusted traveller' is medically unable to assume and hold the position in the NoS (John Mccain, wheelchair pax, balance issues, etc), he/she will still receive a full grope every time he/she flies. Now, it would seem reasonable to say even a 'trusted traveller' may occasionally be selected for a 'random' secondary. It is. Works the same way with GE or NEXUS. However, AFAIK, CBP at a particular airport doesn't routinely decide to shut down GE processing or to send all GE folks to secondary at the whim of a single agent. An FSD (or even an individual TSO) will still be able to handle 'trusted travellers' any way they want. |
Originally Posted by doober
(Post 16863955)
Do you get a Privacy Statement before you hand over a business card to the snoop?
His response? "That's probably available on the website, but I don't have it here." So I said, "I hear often that your website is out of date. I also know that the website, as I have been told before, doesn't apply at this checkpoint. Why would this documentation be any different?" And that's when he called the police. |
Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer
(Post 16864151)
It was a hypothetical. However, it's not much of a stretch from what's happened in the past at BWI or IAD ("sir, it is the LAW that you must answer whatever questions I axk you" by the document checker at IAD)
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Originally Posted by barbell
(Post 16866375)
Unrelated to SPOT, but relevant to this discussion, I recently had a STSO demand my BP and DL for "a report." I asked for the Privacy Statement mentioned in federal law for providing my personally identifying information.
His response? "That's probably available on the website, but I don't have it here." So I said, "I hear often that your website is out of date. I also know that the website, as I have been told before, doesn't apply at this checkpoint. Why would this documentation be any different?" And that's when he called the police. What happened when the police showed up? Hopefully they realized the farce and laughed at the paranoia patrol, but nowadays I'd be pretty shocked if they didn't hassle you even further. Things are WAY out of control. |
Now that the SPOT program has been officially announced and in operation it will be interesting to see how it develops.
In this document http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/p...a_tsa_spot.pdf "Privacy Impact Assessment for the Screening of Passengers by Observation Techniques (SPOT) Program " it states "Section 6.0 Notice 6.1 Was notice provided to the individual prior to collection of information? No. BDO observations of suspicious behaviors or activity are contemporaneously recorded so there is no opportunity to give notice." Yes I know that this is 2008 document but it appears to be the only publicly publish document on SPOT available... BUT In 2005 a GAO report was published on the Secure Flight program. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8672258/.../#.TknmSYJfgzc "GAO: TSA data collection violated Privacy Act Agency says test passenger screening program overstepped restrictions The Transportation Security Administration violated privacy protections by secretly collecting personal information on at least 250,000 people, congressional investigators said Friday. ........ The 1974 Privacy Act requires the government to notify the public when it collects information about people. It must say who it’s gathering information about, what kinds of information, why it’s being collected and how the information is stored. (my boldings) So how I wonder how long before the ACLU or like a organization takes TSA to task for violating the 1974 Privacy Act because it is not posting notifications in the areas that the SPOT BDO's are collecting information?????? .. |
Article on npr - doesn't note there is no supported science behind this program
http://www.npr.org/2011/08/16/139643...ough-chat-down |
Originally Posted by OnTheAsile
(Post 16932556)
Now that the SPOT program has been officially announced and in operation it will be interesting to see how it develops.
In this document http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/p...a_tsa_spot.pdf "Privacy Impact Assessment for the Screening of Passengers by Observation Techniques (SPOT) Program " it states "Section 6.0 Notice 6.1 Was notice provided to the individual prior to collection of information? No. BDO observations of suspicious behaviors or activity are contemporaneously recorded so there is no opportunity to give notice." Yes I know that this is 2008 document but it appears to be the only publicly publish document on SPOT available... BUT In 2005 a GAO report was published on the Secure Flight program. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8672258/.../#.TknmSYJfgzc "GAO: TSA data collection violated Privacy Act Agency says test passenger screening program overstepped restrictions The Transportation Security Administration violated privacy protections by secretly collecting personal information on at least 250,000 people, congressional investigators said Friday. ........ The 1974 Privacy Act requires the government to notify the public when it collects information about people. It must say who it’s gathering information about, what kinds of information, why it’s being collected and how the information is stored. (my boldings) So how I wonder how long before the ACLU or like a organization takes TSA to task for violating the 1974 Privacy Act because it is not posting notifications in the areas that the SPOT BDO's are collecting information?????? .. |
GAO: $1 billion TSA behavioral screening program 'slightly better than chance'
Submitted without comment.
http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_n...an-chance?lite The federal government may have wasted $1 billion on a TSA program called “SPOT” that profiles people who may be “bad guys” at airports by talking to them, according to the Government Accountability Office. There is no evidence that it works, according to a GAO report being released later Wednesday. |
Originally Posted by FearFree
(Post 21779220)
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So, the TSA has wasted $1 billion dollars. While this really doesn't qualify as news - since it was apparent to anyone who has been paying attention to this travesty - I wonder if this finding will prompt the usual cast of BDO defenders to rise to the occasion and defend the indefensible. ;)
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Originally Posted by FearFree
(Post 21779220)
But the GAO report, obtained by NBC News before its release, concludes the training produces results that are “the same as or slightly better than chance.” The program was rolled out in 2007 and now fields an estimated 3,000 “behavior detection officers” at 176 of the more than 450 TSA-regulated airports in the U.S., the GAO report said. So that is 3,000 BDO's that can be RIF along with all of the administrative and management support positions staffed for this wasteful program. Wish TSA (Pistole) was a more careful with our tax dollars instead of whizzing them away like has happened at TSA so often. |
Originally Posted by FearFree
(Post 21779220)
Submitted without comment.
http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_n...an-chance?lite The federal government may have wasted $1 billion on a TSA program called “SPOT” that profiles people who may be “bad guys” at airports by talking to them, according to the Government Accountability Office. There is no evidence that it works, according to a GAO report being released later Wednesday. Color me unsurprised and way to go TSA :rolleyes: |
The saddest (& sickest) part is that NO no one on the Federal dole cares...it's not their $ so why should they want to do anything to fix the problem???
This country of ours is SERIOUSLY broken!!! |
Criminal charges are in order for whoever the imbecile(s) was who introduced and for whoever kept touting this worthless excuse of a taxpayer loss. :mad:
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