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clrankin Aug 3, 2011 7:33 am


Originally Posted by 4nsicdoc (Post 16850711)
I love it when the TSOs here start crowing so loudly about how great the TSA is. Every hen in the zip code gets horny.

Didn't you know the attitude toward TSA has changed in the airports?

I hear people at BOS arrive at the airport extra early now just to throw rose petals on the floor at their feet while they walk from the airport entrance to the checkpoints. :D

Caradoc Aug 3, 2011 7:33 am


Originally Posted by 4nsicdoc (Post 16850711)
I love it when the TSOs here start crowing so loudly about how great the TSA is.

They're terrified of what'll happen when the TSA is dismantled, as they will have nowhere to go for work - being entirely unqualified for anything else.

FlyingUnderTheRadar Aug 3, 2011 7:48 am

Here is an interesting thought. The courts have held up that what the TSA is doing an administrative search. Now I take the word search literally to mean to look, inspect, seek out something physical. To date all of their actions have been towards that.

Now we have administrative interrogations. Which is something completely different. Given that TSA just got spanked for not going through the rule making process on AIT it would seem to me that one could similarly argue that the implementation of administrative interrogations which really changes the screening process would be even better fodder for the courts and rule making, especially if one is being denied access to the sterile area because they refused to answer any of their questions. At least with the AIT one had an option of the patdown.

I should add that if TSA could roll out a program that I thought was truly being implemented with some fore thought I might be more supportive. I have very serious doubts that a week of training is truly sufficient to make someone proficient.

Caradoc Aug 3, 2011 8:15 am


Originally Posted by FlyingUnderTheRadar (Post 16850862)
I should add that if TSA could roll out a program that I thought was truly being implemented with some fore thought I might be more supportive.

First the TSA would have to hire some personnel who weren't paranoid reactionary panic-monkeys, and had people skills.

I simply don't see that happening. Ever.

mahohmei Aug 3, 2011 8:52 am

"Where are you going?"
 
My home airport is TLH, and every single flight I have _ever_ taken out of TLH has involved a transfer at either ATL or CLT--a quick check on TLH's online departure board shows, among the next 10 departures (across 6 hours; not a very busy airport), 5 to ATL, 2 each to CLT and TPA, and 1 to DFW.

If a TDC at TLH asks me where I'm going, I'll have no problem telling them where I'm going: "Charlotte!". Just like about one-fifth of all the passengers going through the TDC. :-)

mikeef Aug 3, 2011 12:05 pm


Originally Posted by FlyingUnderTheRadar (Post 16850862)
Here is an interesting thought. The courts have held up that what the TSA is doing an administrative search. Now I take the word search literally to mean to look, inspect, seek out something physical. To date all of their actions have been towards that.

Now we have administrative interrogations. Which is something completely different. Given that TSA just got spanked for not going through the rule making process on AIT it would seem to me that one could similarly argue that the implementation of administrative interrogations which really changes the screening process would be even better fodder for the courts and rule making, especially if one is being denied access to the sterile area because they refused to answer any of their questions. At least with the AIT one had an option of the patdown.

I should add that if TSA could roll out a program that I thought was truly being implemented with some fore thought I might be more supportive. I have very serious doubts that a week of training is truly sufficient to make someone proficient.

You are clearly overestimating the amount of thought that the TSA put into this program before initiating it. My sincere belief is that TSA "management" decided to implement the idea after someone wrote it on the back of a Chipotle napkin and pinned it to the suggestion board in the break room.

Mike

doober Aug 3, 2011 12:13 pm


Originally Posted by Caradoc (Post 16850750)
They're terrified of what'll happen when the TSA is dismantled, as they will have nowhere to go for work - being entirely unqualified for anything else.

You hit the nail on the head. It's quite obvious that some are truly concerned about the TSA's future.

rgfloor Aug 3, 2011 12:13 pm


Originally Posted by mikeef (Post 16852791)
someone wrote it on the back of a Chipotle napkin and pinned it to the suggestion board in the break room.

Mike

Taco Bell maybe...........but Chipotle is too high class for TSA, considering that they all came from Mickey D's.

bdschobel Aug 3, 2011 12:19 pm


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much (Post 16843623)
I was thinking that, if enough of us annoyed the ID Checker SPOTNik by the various methods we've been writing about, that many, if not all of us will be sent to a retaliatory secondary. The gropings will be done by the same clerks who do the opt-out gropings. This could have a far greater effect than opt-out day when the TSA simply shut down the Cancer Machines.

How about "National Make Fun of The SPOTNik Day?

I'm in. Wouldn't miss it! ^^^

Bruce

halls120 Aug 3, 2011 12:34 pm


Originally Posted by bdschobel (Post 16852876)
I'm in. Wouldn't miss it! ^^^

Bruce

I'm in as well.

Caradoc Aug 3, 2011 12:47 pm


Originally Posted by rgfloor (Post 16852844)
Taco Bell maybe...........but Chipotle is too high class for TSA, considering that they all came from Mickey D's.

...when their job applications were rejected.

GUWonder Aug 3, 2011 4:22 pm


Originally Posted by boatseller (Post 16843759)
First, the only reason this program got funding is because they came up with a cool acronym which seems to over-impress a lot of Washington types.

Any reasonably decent profiler is already or will be employed by better agencies like the FBI, CBP proper or even NYPD. A 5-day program is laughable.

Even a 15-day program would be laughable and even more of a waste of resources. Getting lucky a single time after harassing a couple hundred or thousand "innocent" persons -- as is rather routine with such efforts -- is a laughable attempt to justify any such voodoo "security" practice for commercial passenger travel.

There is nothing reasonably decent about profiling individuals for criminal activity when a crime has not yet been committed by the hassled individuals, as pretending that mind-reading is a science is indecent to the core and used repeatedly as a cover for all sorts of indecent nonsense.

TsaAbuseWatch Aug 3, 2011 5:18 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 16832831)
Good to see that some here still enjoy lying! ^

I dont think anyone who post here on FT has ever claimed that, excpt you and a few other critics of TSA.

As opposed to people wear Blue Shirts and lie to themselves that touching strangers genitals for money is a good and honorable profession.

n4zhg Aug 3, 2011 7:08 pm


Originally Posted by Caradoc (Post 16850750)
They're terrified of what'll happen when the TSA is dismantled, as they will have nowhere to go for work - being entirely unqualified for anything else.

Not much call for skill sets which include putting lipstick on pigs and picking up turds by the clean end...


Originally Posted by TsaAbuseWatch (Post 16854786)
As opposed to people wear Blue Shirts and lie to themselves that touching strangers genitals for money is a good and honorable profession.

Actually, it is a good and honorable profession. Just not the way TSA does it.

Global_Hi_Flyer Aug 3, 2011 9:29 pm

"Where have you been?"
In town.

"Do you have a business card"
Yes.

"What were you doing here?"
Confidential company business.

"Sir, if you don't answer, you won't fly today. What were you doing here?"
If I tell you, it may violate SEC laws & regulations and will violate company confidentiality. Are you willing to sign a non-disclosure agreement and be investigated and prosecuted if you disclose insider information?

"Uh..."

"Do you have a business card".
Yes.

"May I see it?"
No, because of what I told you before.

"Where are you going?"
To my congressman's office promptly upon arrival.

"SECONDARY ON LINE 1"


................

This is going to be hell for folks that travel on confidential company business (such as investments, M&A, major sales calls) where disclosing your name & company and/or reasons for travel may cause SEC disclosure issues.


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