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Schmurrr Nov 16, 2013 11:15 am

How in the world is the BDO program linked to expedited screening??????

Schmurrr Nov 16, 2013 11:17 am


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 21793946)

From the article:


"An imperfect deterrent to terrorist attacks is better than no deterrent at all, " said American Federation of Government Employees National President David Cox, speaking in a conference call after the hearing. "Is it a perfect program? No, but until we have a better program, we shouldn't just trash and burn this program."
Then you pay for the program, David Cox. Put your money where your mouth is.

tkey75 Nov 16, 2013 11:37 am


Originally Posted by petaluma1 (Post 21794679)
Pistole's threat:

IOW, take away his $1B and he'll retaliate against the innocent traveling public.

Kind if like what every gov't office did during the beginning of sequestration.

FliesWay2Much Nov 16, 2013 11:56 am


Originally Posted by Schmurrr (Post 21795900)
How in the world is the BDO program linked to expedited screening??????

This was pretty slick spin on Pissy's part. The only thing that SPOTNiks do for expedited screening is to take random people out of line and send them through Precheck.

The hearing transcript won't be out yet, nor will we see the questions for the record that will follow in 4-6 weeks. But, I have every confidence that nobody on the committee was smart enough to ask your question.

halls120 Nov 16, 2013 1:39 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 21793946)
Longer lines at airport checkpoints would result from eliminating a nearly $1 billion Behavior Detection Officers program, the head of the Transportation Security Administration told a congressional committee Thursday.

I see that lying isn't restricted to the occupant of the Oval Office in this administration.

GUWonder Nov 17, 2013 8:32 pm


Originally Posted by celsius1939 (Post 21789682)
This administration could care less about contempt of congress because they hold the congress in contempt. Good luck getting a better TSA.

That is most Administrations, for most of living history.


Originally Posted by tkey75 (Post 21795981)
IOW, take away his $1B and he'll retaliate against the innocent traveling public.

Kind if like what every gov't office did during the beginning of sequestration.

The first paragraph/sentence above is true. The second paragraph/sentence above isn't true. I had an easier time getting people GE with CBP during that debacle than it was before or has been since.

We're going to be stuck with this BDO nonsense for quite some time, as there is no critical mass in government to change that.

RatherBeOnATrain Mar 19, 2015 1:38 pm

NYCLU and ACLU Sue TSA for Records on Discredited ‘Behavior Detection’ Program
 
A March 19, 2015 press release from the American Civil Liberties Union:
NYCLU and ACLU Sue TSA for Records on Discredited ‘Behavior Detection’ Program

An excerpt:

The NYCLU and the American Civil Liberties Union took the Transportation Security Administration to court today in an effort to uncover documents about a controversial passenger screening program used at airports nationwide.

The program is called Screening Passengers by Observation Techniques, or SPOT. TSA “behavior detection officers” watch passengers in airport screening areas for behaviors that the TSA associates with stress, fear or deception – sometimes also engaging travelers in casual conversation. The officers then flag certain people for additional inspection and questioning.

Government investigators and outside experts have criticized SPOT as ineffective, unscientific and wasteful. The program has cost over $1 billion since 2007 and has been blamed by passengers and TSA officers themselves for numerous cases of racial profiling.

Today’s Freedom of Information Act lawsuit is seeking records related to any scientific basis for the program, its effectiveness and how much minorities are disproportionately singled out.

GUWonder Apr 15, 2016 12:08 pm

A behavior detection program was authorized last month by the French government for use at Paris CDG airport.

Which groups in France -- the land of "liberty, equality and fraternity" -- will sue the French government over this kind of discredited approach having been implemented?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/passenger...180705789.html

Boggie Dog Apr 15, 2016 12:51 pm

I have all I can manage trying to keep track of the things TSA is doing here in the U.S., the French will have to look after their own problems.

t325 Apr 17, 2016 12:32 pm

Yesterday at DTW, the TDC asked the person in front of me how old they were. She asked me which airline I was flying. If this is behavior detection, seems like a pretty crappy way to do it because I'm pretty sure a terrorist would know those details :rolleyes:

mycorrado Apr 23, 2016 3:35 pm

I had my first encounter with a Spotnik probing passengers in a line before ID check. He asked me flat out if I had checked any luggage.

Do I have to answer his question? I fell for it, and said no, but he continued grilling me about where I was going..

txrus Apr 23, 2016 3:39 pm


Originally Posted by mycorrado (Post 26525827)
I had my first encounter with a Spotnik probing passengers in a line before ID check. He asked me flat out if I had checked any luggage.

Do I have to answer his question? I fell for it, and said no, but he continued grilling me about where I was going..

'Out of an abundance of caution, I don't discuss my travel with strangers; it's not safe & I'm sure you can appreciate that'.

Seriously-that is what I have said when one of them tried to pull that stuff with me.

FliesWay2Much Apr 24, 2016 5:12 am


Originally Posted by mycorrado (Post 26525827)
I had my first encounter with a Spotnik probing passengers in a line before ID check. He asked me flat out if I had checked any luggage.

Do I have to answer his question? I fell for it, and said no, but he continued grilling me about where I was going..

Which airport? Was there a ridiculously long line?

Boggie Dog Apr 24, 2016 5:44 am


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much (Post 26527522)
Which airport? Was there a ridiculously long line?

Which airport doesn't have ridiculously long security lines? Neffenger's self induced TSA Malfunction.

chollie Apr 24, 2016 8:04 am


Originally Posted by mycorrado (Post 26525827)
I had my first encounter with a Spotnik probing passengers in a line before ID check. He asked me flat out if I had checked any luggage.

Do I have to answer his question? I fell for it, and said no, but he continued grilling me about where I was going..

If you don't, you may face retaliation. During the current slowdown, that delay could be significant (one airport reported 15 minute waits for bag checks to be completed, during which time the entire checkpoint stopped).

I've been questioned once, a few years ago. I was followed through the terminal and into the restroom, where the questioning continued while I was in the stall attending to business. The BDO who questioned me was flat-out creepy - someone I would have told to leave me alone or I will call 9-11 if it hadn't been a BDO.

I was afraid not to co-operate, because even though I was through the checkpoint and already in the sterile area, they still could have stopped me from flying.


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