Concern about increased airport security in Australia
Feb 4, 2012, 6:02 pm
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I've asked this before but never got anything...
It looks like we are going to have to send letters to our MPs. I'm not the best at letter writing. Does anyone have some sort of template that can be used?
Just tried searching on http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au for more info. Can't find anything related to a "Aviation Security Amendment (Screening) Bill 2012". Only items from 2004 and a cargo related bill from last year.
I've asked this before but never got anything...
It looks like we are going to have to send letters to our MPs. I'm not the best at letter writing. Does anyone have some sort of template that can be used?
Just tried searching on http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au for more info. Can't find anything related to a "Aviation Security Amendment (Screening) Bill 2012". Only items from 2004 and a cargo related bill from last year.
Last edited by Himeno; Feb 4, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Feb 4, 2012, 11:30 pm
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I left comments on the Courier Mail, Daily Telegraph and Adelaide Now articles. My comment on the Telegraph appears to have been rejected and most of the comments there appear positive. Nothing new posted to the Courier's comments since I sent mine.
I can't find any details about this anywhere. Only found contact details for MPs...
Anthony Albanese (Minister for Infrastructure and Transport): http://www.aph.gov.au/house/members/member.asp?id=R36
Warren Truss (Shadow Minister for Infrastructure and Transport) : http://www.aph.gov.au/house/members/member.asp?id=GT4
Senate: http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/senator...asp?sort=state
House of Reps (by Electorate): http://www.aph.gov.au/house/members/mi-elctr.asp
I can't find any details about this anywhere. Only found contact details for MPs...
Anthony Albanese (Minister for Infrastructure and Transport): http://www.aph.gov.au/house/members/member.asp?id=R36
Warren Truss (Shadow Minister for Infrastructure and Transport) : http://www.aph.gov.au/house/members/member.asp?id=GT4
Senate: http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/senator...asp?sort=state
House of Reps (by Electorate): http://www.aph.gov.au/house/members/mi-elctr.asp
Feb 5, 2012, 1:34 am
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Our only hope is that the Coalition continue their (normally) obnoxious policy of opposing anything the government wants. In this case, I suspect they will just support it. If they do, it won't matter what anyone else thinks. If they oppose it, it will fail as the Greens will never support such a policy.
The only change I could see happening is a move to pat-downs rather than "no scan, no fly" if it goes to committee.
The only change I could see happening is a move to pat-downs rather than "no scan, no fly" if it goes to committee.
Feb 5, 2012, 2:36 am
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The only change I could see happening is a move to pat-downs rather than "no scan, no fly" if it goes to committee.
Feb 5, 2012, 4:40 am
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Feb 5, 2012, 6:49 am
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Details are still sparse: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1226262754990
I wonder if 1) they'll be used for everyone as primary screening, 2) whether or not they're MMW, and if so, if they're active or passive MMW.
Too bad because I found airport security here to be excellent, but now it looks like the Australians are going the way of the United Statesians.
I wonder if 1) they'll be used for everyone as primary screening, 2) whether or not they're MMW, and if so, if they're active or passive MMW.
Too bad because I found airport security here to be excellent, but now it looks like the Australians are going the way of the United Statesians.
Feb 5, 2012, 7:17 am
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This is terrible. Who in the US got to who in the Australian government and press-ganged them into this? These same scanning devices are being rejected in Europe right now as virtually useless. They're deployed in the US only because ex-government lobbyists representing the makers have made sweetheart deals with old friends in the public sector. This is infuriating and disturbing corruption, to say nothing of wasted taxpayers' money.
Feb 5, 2012, 7:26 am
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A bunch of comments just got approved on the Courier Mail article going from 6 to 93, most of which are negitive (not wanting scanners). Other news sites where I posted comments haven't had anything new added since I sumbitted the comments.
Just found this in a "Legislation Proposed for Introduction in the 2012 Autumn Sittings" listing. http://www.dpmc.gov.au/parliamentary...egislation.pdf
Just found this in a "Legislation Proposed for Introduction in the 2012 Autumn Sittings" listing. http://www.dpmc.gov.au/parliamentary...egislation.pdf
Aviation Transport Security Amendment (Screening) Bill *
- strengthen Australia’s aviation security by introducing a range of optimal screening technologies, including body scanners, at international passenger screening points
- allow screening officers to assume implied consent for certain screening procedures when a person approaches the screening point for the purposes of receiving clearance to pass through the screening point
Reason for legislation: to strengthen Australia’s aviation security
Link to announcement: Media release of 9 February 2010 (http://www.minister.infrastructure.g...A024_2010.aspx)
- strengthen Australia’s aviation security by introducing a range of optimal screening technologies, including body scanners, at international passenger screening points
- allow screening officers to assume implied consent for certain screening procedures when a person approaches the screening point for the purposes of receiving clearance to pass through the screening point
Reason for legislation: to strengthen Australia’s aviation security
Link to announcement: Media release of 9 February 2010 (http://www.minister.infrastructure.g...A024_2010.aspx)
Feb 5, 2012, 5:55 pm
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No indeed. 
I can no longer tell the world about the common-sense Aussie approach to boarding a plane. 
It looks like our early-June post Oz-Fest #9 departure from SYD will be just under the wire.
I can no longer tell the world about the common-sense Aussie approach to boarding a plane. It looks like our early-June post Oz-Fest #9 departure from SYD will be just under the wire.
Hopefully they're not installed for the departure from Oz Fest.. Maybe I'll bring a sling along
Feb 6, 2012, 7:23 am
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Feb 14, 2012, 1:10 am
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So much for "this week" (last week). The bill hasn't been tabled yet so no text of proposed amendment available to view. The house sits tomorrow and Thursday this week then both houses are back in session on the 27th (they have next week off).
Maybe they noticed the public hostility to the proposals mentioned in the media and are sitting on it. Or Albanese is planning to force it through when he thinks no one is watching.
Maybe they noticed the public hostility to the proposals mentioned in the media and are sitting on it. Or Albanese is planning to force it through when he thinks no one is watching.
Feb 16, 2012, 9:26 pm
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I was thinking more of trying to get the no opt out part of the bill removed before it gets voted on.