ACLU quesitioning enhanced patdowns
Aug 22, 2010, 3:36 pm
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Educating the public certainly will be important.
People are only going to stop flying if there is a good reason.
As the check point experience becomes more intrusive, there may be more incentive to find other modes of travel or use communication instead. Making those alternatives more attractive would be another factor. Tying current TSA trends to the downside is a necessity.
It would take a constant campaign with several prongs- disputing the need for intrusive searches, providing reasonable alternatives, and putting economic pressure on the whole travel industry to lobby for a new, more viable security solution.
People are only going to stop flying if there is a good reason.
As the check point experience becomes more intrusive, there may be more incentive to find other modes of travel or use communication instead. Making those alternatives more attractive would be another factor. Tying current TSA trends to the downside is a necessity.
It would take a constant campaign with several prongs- disputing the need for intrusive searches, providing reasonable alternatives, and putting economic pressure on the whole travel industry to lobby for a new, more viable security solution.
Being treated like a felon just to board a plane is excessive.
Whole Body Images or Invasive Pat Down, seems intrusive to me!
Aug 22, 2010, 3:44 pm
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How about "the TSA's penis size and shape comparison imaging technology machines/scanners"?
It may be possible to strike down two birds with one stone -- that is by going after the the strip searching machines first.
Was that at an airport "security" checkpoint? Did you feign an orgasm like in the movie When Harry Met Sally?
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Aug 22, 2010, 4:22 pm
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This clearly is retaliatory & punitive, since a simple walk through the metal detector is sufficient at locations without WBI. The only reasonable alternative to WBI (unless there are other causes for concern) is that simple walk through the metal detector.
Aug 22, 2010, 4:36 pm
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Now that they can "see" them, they seem to be claiming the right to feel them if you won't show them.
This clearly is retaliatory & punitive, since a simple walk through the metal detector is sufficient at locations without WBI. The only reasonable alternative to WBI (unless there are other causes for concern) is that simple walk through the metal detector.
This clearly is retaliatory & punitive, since a simple walk through the metal detector is sufficient at locations without WBI. The only reasonable alternative to WBI (unless there are other causes for concern) is that simple walk through the metal detector.
Aug 22, 2010, 5:25 pm
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While the abuses are far more rampant than any terrorist threat, the large "anything for safety and security" faction needs to have their own personal unpleasant experiences with TSA before they will change their minds.
Aug 22, 2010, 5:39 pm
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The fact that the machines are coming to SEA is bringing it home to us, since we fly out of there most commonly with YVR (and its own attendant nuisances for US-bound flights) a distant second.
We noticed again when attending our fourth consecutive Oz Fest how much more pleasant domestic flying is in Australia, i.e. no i.d. needed, carry-on items quickly and efficiently through the conveyor, and the right to carry on liquids, e.g. shiraz. ^
We noticed again when attending our fourth consecutive Oz Fest how much more pleasant domestic flying is in Australia, i.e. no i.d. needed, carry-on items quickly and efficiently through the conveyor, and the right to carry on liquids, e.g. shiraz. ^
Aug 22, 2010, 5:42 pm
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Evidently, not enough people share your opinion, yet. I agree with you 100%.
While the abuses are far more rampant than any terrorist threat, the large "anything for safety and security" faction needs to have their own personal unpleasant experiences with TSA before they will change their minds.
While the abuses are far more rampant than any terrorist threat, the large "anything for safety and security" faction needs to have their own personal unpleasant experiences with TSA before they will change their minds.
I have no faith that the huge majority of the population (the S-word) will object in the slightest nor do anything so radical as stop flying. Someone with more clout than the DHS/TSA is going to have to be point on this; it won't be Congress, it might be a Court of Law, it could be the media, it sure as hell won't be the airlines.
Sad to say, but it may take a terrorist attack in which the complete uselessness of the TSA procedures is demonstrably to blame.
Aug 22, 2010, 8:26 pm
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Interesting. I see all the objections voiced here and have to ask:
How many of you have had the pat down that you so strongly object to?
I know that some of you are going to say that it is a slipperly slope erosion of civil rights but there are hundreds of passengers a day that have it done and they dont mind in the least. So in your mind it is wrong and not justified in any circumstances. I read an article today that said pre 9/11 screening only caught 20% of the tests and that was the best scores. So where are we going to go to satisfy everyone?
How many of you have had the pat down that you so strongly object to?
I know that some of you are going to say that it is a slipperly slope erosion of civil rights but there are hundreds of passengers a day that have it done and they dont mind in the least. So in your mind it is wrong and not justified in any circumstances. I read an article today that said pre 9/11 screening only caught 20% of the tests and that was the best scores. So where are we going to go to satisfy everyone?
Aug 22, 2010, 8:32 pm
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and despite this lack of security, our 'planes still do not fall out of the sky...
Aug 22, 2010, 8:36 pm
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On another occasion I announced loudly as we left the checkpoint that my prostate exam went well. I've had my bells jingled once or twice and I don't find it a pleasant sensation.
Can I look forward to a kinder and gentler experience at, say, SEA?
Aug 22, 2010, 8:45 pm
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So in your mind it is wrong and not justified in any circumstances.
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Aug 22, 2010, 9:09 pm
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Aug 22, 2010, 9:23 pm
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Interesting. I see all the objections voiced here and have to ask:
How many of you have had the pat down that you so strongly object to?
I know that some of you are going to say that it is a slipperly slope erosion of civil rights but there are hundreds of passengers a day that have it done and they dont mind in the least. So in your mind it is wrong and not justified in any circumstances. I read an article today that said pre 9/11 screening only caught 20% of the tests and that was the best scores. So where are we going to go to satisfy everyone?
How many of you have had the pat down that you so strongly object to?
I know that some of you are going to say that it is a slipperly slope erosion of civil rights but there are hundreds of passengers a day that have it done and they dont mind in the least. So in your mind it is wrong and not justified in any circumstances. I read an article today that said pre 9/11 screening only caught 20% of the tests and that was the best scores. So where are we going to go to satisfy everyone?
If you work for TSA then YOU treat everyone like criminals.
How many terrorist has TSA caught to date?
Aug 22, 2010, 9:26 pm
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So in your mind it is wrong and not justified in any circumstances. I read an article today that said pre 9/11 screening only caught 20% of the tests and that was the best scores. So where are we going to go to satisfy everyone?