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SATTSO Dec 6, 2009 6:16 pm


Originally Posted by RadioGirl (Post 12937647)
Beat me to it! :D

This would be fun: dress up in a suit and tie, print that checklist and put it on a clipboard, and walk around the checkpoint looking at things and ticking boxes. See if the BDOs think you're suspicious. ;)

Aww, TK, you were s'posed to think "As long as I have to go to Sears* for a new vacuum, I should go to that nice jewelry shop in the mall and get a Christmas present for my wife." ;)

*When I was a kid, if Sears didn't sell it, you didn't need it. :D

Me thinks TK is too cheap for diamonds!!!

RadioGirl Dec 6, 2009 6:17 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12937644)
Nah, in an organization of close to 50,000 with a relatvely high turn over rate, why did it take this long for something like this to come out? Why is SOP still mostly secre to the general population (meaning you)? I'm actually pleasantly surprised.

Yeah, but it's not like it was leaked by one of the 50,000 + turnover; it's on an Official Government Website. :eek:

SATTSO Dec 6, 2009 6:21 pm


Originally Posted by bonoman (Post 12937019)
Hmmm, anyone ever seen an agent with a "Operational Test Piece" walking back and forth through the WTMD to test it 20 times every 24 hours?

Yes, it happens each time we open the checkpoint, or 24 hours passes, or power goes ou and on.

AngryMiller Dec 6, 2009 6:22 pm

Blogdad Bob might have his hands full tomorrow morning. Wonder how his Monday morning will turn out? Wonder how they will spin this?

SATTSO Dec 6, 2009 6:22 pm


Originally Posted by RadioGirl (Post 12937657)
Yeah, but it's not like it was leaked by one of the 50,000 + turnover; it's on an Official Government Website. :eek:

Whether it's a mistake or not to be post I don't know. Haven't really looked at it, I'm T work. However, if it was a mistake, what I say still holds true.

SATTSO Dec 6, 2009 6:26 pm


Originally Posted by LessO2 (Post 12937036)
Fair guess, plausible, I just don't know. I think your scenario, my guess, and TK's guess are equally as plausible.

Nah, I think my guess has more weight to it. Why? Having worked for TSA for years, thus having done exactly what was described to help train people. About 3 monhs ago he big lady Gale was at SAT. We did nothing special (different). Business as usual.

But it is still a guess because I wasn't there. I just think I have a better idea abot what might have been happening than others.

RadioGirl Dec 6, 2009 6:31 pm


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 12936908)
The girl is 12 and I have no clue what girls like.


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12937656)
Me thinks TK is too cheap for diamonds!!!

For the wife, it doesn't have to be diamonds - something less expensive but pretty is fine. Action movies DVDs, not so much. ;)

For a 12-y-o girl, anything pink. Unless she's already at the "everything black" phase, in which case, I don't know either.

Boggie Dog Dec 6, 2009 7:25 pm


Originally Posted by RadioGirl (Post 12937647)

*When I was a kid, if Sears didn't sell it, you didn't need it. :D

And coming full circle; today if Sears sells it you probably don't need it.

DevilDog438 Dec 6, 2009 7:30 pm


Originally Posted by bonoman (Post 12937019)
Hmmm, anyone ever seen an agent with a "Operational Test Piece" walking back and forth through the WTMD to test it 20 times every 24 hours?

Yes, at ORD in the middle of the evening rush-hour flight bank. Four TSO, two each testing both of the WTMD arches assigned to the Premier line. They held us in those two lines (refused to let us move to other lines with four more TSO standing around riding "herd" on us) for approximately 15 minutes while the performed the test. One TSO monitored the WTMD while the other walked/waved through a large block of metal at various heights and speeds.

Trollkiller Dec 6, 2009 7:51 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12937656)
Me thinks TK is too cheap for diamonds!!!

Me knows I am too cheap for diamonds.

Trollkiller Dec 6, 2009 8:01 pm


Originally Posted by RadioGirl (Post 12937713)
For the wife, it doesn't have to be diamonds - something less expensive but pretty is fine. Action movies DVDs, not so much. ;)

For a 12-y-o girl, anything pink. Unless she's already at the "everything black" phase, in which case, I don't know either.

Thankfully she is still in the pink phase. She oscillates between being a prissy girl and beating her brother.

As for the wife I just got to the point where the kids buy her stuff with my money. I do get her chocolate every now and again but that is just to save me from the crankies.

LoganTSO Dec 6, 2009 8:34 pm


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 12936923)
To TSOs and other Covered persons, it is your duty to report this breach of SSI. Go ahead and ruin a few people's weekend.

Already on it.

Too bad everyone has gone home for the night. :td:

GUWonder Dec 6, 2009 8:36 pm


Originally Posted by OnTheAsile (Post 12936638)
As I have posted previously,the compete Screening Management SOP is now public information:
S206 Aviation and Transportation Security Screening Services
Solicitation Number: HSTS05-09-R-SPP061
Amendment 3
Posted Date: March 16, 2009
"SOP NO SSI.pdf" has the SSI warnings deleted
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportun...&cck=1&au=&ck=
I have also copied the S206 Cover page to keep with the SOP
The Screening Contract is also posted in full.

The TSA and its apologists have tried to eliminate the transparency necessary for a liberal representative democracy to function in the manner designed by the Founding Fathers of these United States of America. Doesn't it seem like it is too late for them to do that given it's already at http://cryptome.org/ at the following URL http://cryptome.org/tsa-screening.zip ?

FliesWay2Much Dec 6, 2009 8:57 pm


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 12938258)
The TSA and its apologists have tried to eliminate the transparency necessary for a liberal representative democracy to function in the manner designed by the Founding Fathers of these United States of America. Doesn't it seem like it is too late for them to do that given it's already at http://cryptome.org/ at the following URL http://cryptome.org/tsa-screening.zip ?

Check out these two duties of a supervisor screener:


41) Ensure TSOs provide only their TSA nametag information when an individual requests a TSO’s personal information during, or as a result of, the screening process.

42) Conduct the procedures for checking travel documents and notifying the LEO and the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), when applicable, when U.S. currency or other monetary instruments appearing to exceed $10,000 is found on an individual or their property during screening.
There's more:


2.7. PHOTOGRAPHING, VIDEOTAPING, AND FILMING SCREENING LOCATIONS

A. TSA does not prohibit the public, passengers, or press from photographing, videotaping, or filming screening locations unless the activity interferes with a TSO’s ability to perform his or her duties or
prevents the orderly flow of individuals through the screening location. Requests by commercial entities to photograph an airport screening location must be forwarded to TSA’s Office of Strategic Communications and Public Affairs. Photographing EDS or ETD monitor screens or emitted images is not permitted.

B. TSA must not confiscate or destroy the photographic equipment or film of any person photographing the screening location.

C. Whenever possible, x-ray machine images must not be visible to the public or press. When physical constraints prevent x-ray images from being fully protected from public viewing, TSOs must ensure no member of the public or press is in a position to observe an x-ray monitor for an extended period of time. Passengers and other unauthorized individuals must not be allowed to view EDS or ETD monitors and screens.

AngryMiller Dec 6, 2009 9:03 pm


Originally Posted by LoganTSO (Post 12938239)
Already on it.

Too bad everyone has gone home for the night. :td:

The direct link has been pulled. They are in damage control mode right now and probably are none too happy.


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