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Trollkiller Dec 6, 2009 3:26 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12936945)
Who can find the SOP regarding frozen LGAs in there????

Apparently few TSOs can find it in the new SOP.

I know you have to pretend that this is no big deal, but come on. This shows that the TSA can't even keep a document secure. It also shows that what the TSA deems is SSI is nothing more than a smoke and mirror set up designed to elevate the importance of the agency.

AngryMiller Dec 6, 2009 3:27 pm


Originally Posted by amejr999 (Post 12936540)
Just a quick reminder that the SOP is labeled as SSI, and posting information from it on a public forum might expose you to personal liability. It's unlikely, but certainly possible.

Now... anyone know a reporter who wants a scoop?

Hmmm, the Pentagon Papers this is not. I would suggest that the majority of the document is fairly current and is accurate enough for someone to use to evaluate TSOs at the airport. Quoting chapter and paragraph back at them from a printed copy would be a real hoot (sort of like when the officer in charge of document security found classified documents from his organization made into little fruit bags in Korea - he spent a lot of money buying back those bags.).

The document hit public domain and someone at DHS/TSA is in a whole lot of trouble right before Christmas. Hope they have another job lined up.

Got to resist gloating, but the smile is going to be there for at least a little while.

Trollkiller Dec 6, 2009 3:29 pm


Originally Posted by LessO2 (Post 12936948)
To be honest, I did see one in Denver getting a secondary about four or five months ago. Badge off, getting the wand. The one thing I found unusual about it was that it was not done anywhere near where the screeners usually bypass the checkpoints, it was done where the passengers funnel from exiting the checkpoints to taking the escalator.

Before that, yes, it's been a very long time.

I wonder who from HQ was in town.

LessO2 Dec 6, 2009 3:29 pm


Originally Posted by AngryMiller (Post 12936966)
The document hit public domain and someone at DHS/TSA is in a whole lot of trouble right before Christmas. Hope they have another job lined up.

HA! You really think they're going to fire someone over this? If this was some damning report that detailed the failures of the TSA, a PR nightmare, then yes, someone's head would roll.

But this? Nah, I see someone getting some remedial training over this.

AngryMiller Dec 6, 2009 3:30 pm


This shows that the TSA can't even keep a document secure. It also shows that what the TSA deems is SSI is nothing more than a smoke and mirror set up designed to elevate the importance of the agency.
Bolding mine
Sort of like the uniforms third world dictators wear with all of the medals and awards on them?

SATTSO Dec 6, 2009 3:30 pm

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AngryMiller Dec 6, 2009 3:33 pm


Originally Posted by LessO2 (Post 12936977)
HA! You really think they're going to fire someone over this? If this was some damning report that detailed the failures of the TSA, a PR nightmare, then yes, someone's head would roll.

But this? Nah, I see someone getting some remedial training over this.

Drop a copy of this at a checkpoint.

LessO2 Dec 6, 2009 3:35 pm


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 12936975)
I wonder who from HQ was in town.

Quite possible something like that was happening. Like I said before, it was done in a very awkward location. I don't know if you remember Denver's configuration, but this location has the screeners entering from the very left side of the usually short-staffed bank of checkpoints.

Now, if they were to have done it at the "normal" place screeners enter, it would have been done out of sight of the supervisor's podium (and where the suits usually stand around and do nothing but chat).

Where this screener was getting the secondary was in full and complete view of that area. Even beyond the ETD machines. It made me think they were putting on a show for passengers (see, we go through it as well-type thing), but after thinking about your reply and the set-up at Denver, it could have very well been a show for the suits.

SATTSO Dec 6, 2009 3:35 pm


Originally Posted by LessO2 (Post 12936948)
To be honest, I did see one in Denver getting a secondary about four or five months ago. Badge off, getting the wand. The one thing I found unusual about it was that it was not done anywhere near where the screeners usually bypass the checkpoints, it was done where the passengers funnel from exiting the checkpoints to taking the escalator.

Before that, yes, it's been a very long time.

Migh have been training. We do it on each other from time to time, usually away fro
the usual screening location. But I wasn't there, so just guessing.

colpuck Dec 6, 2009 3:36 pm

WOW JUST WOW


iv. If the individual’s photo ID is a passport issued by the Government of Cuba, Iran, North
Korea, Libya, Syria, Sudan, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Somalia, Iraq, Yemen, or Algeria, refer
the individual for selectee screening unless the individual has been exempted from selectee
screening by the FSD or aircraft operator.
hate monger much?

bonoman Dec 6, 2009 3:38 pm

Hmmm, anyone ever seen an agent with a "Operational Test Piece" walking back and forth through the WTMD to test it 20 times every 24 hours?

LessO2 Dec 6, 2009 3:39 pm


Originally Posted by AngryMiller (Post 12936996)
Drop a copy of this at a checkpoint.

Uh, HELL NO.

They'll likely do everything they can to find me and make an example of me.

I don't go to the checkpoints to cause any trouble. I like being just like everyone else, and if I run into a rogue screener, let what I know take over from there.

LessO2 Dec 6, 2009 3:41 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12937008)
Migh have been training. We do it on each other from time to time, usually away fro
the usual screening location. But I wasn't there, so just guessing.

Fair guess, plausible, I just don't know. I think your scenario, my guess, and TK's guess are equally as plausible.

Boggie Dog Dec 6, 2009 4:04 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12936933)
Joking, uh, yes.... Joking.... "wink" passes need your mailing address.

And really, does ANYONE know what any woman wants???

Yes!

Boggie Dog Dec 6, 2009 4:06 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 12936916)
Lol This is funny, it's all so outdated!! Just to let you know, this "sop" no longer applies. With our spiffy new badges and uniforms TSA issued a directives/sop suspending the screening of TSOs entirely. Lol sorry :D

And your not impressed by the security protections someone in your agency used to protect this document?


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