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Old Dec 10, 2009 | 10:35 pm
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Originally Posted by bocastephen
This is the same obnoxious buffoon from Long Island NY who constantly praises the TSA and suggests witch hunts for brown people and Muslims. He is a psycho - he would never read this letter, and if he did, it wouldn't make a difference to him.

He is a gasbag whose only purpose is continually pontificate his dedicate to his version of national security, which conveniently mimics the vision of Himmler and Stalin.

I won't let my blood pressure jump over his call for criminal prosecutions against those who posted the manual - I think what he deserves is the treat of this document being continually hosted and posted all over the place until his little head fills with rage and explodes and we can be done with him once and for all.
Aww, don't sugar-coat it; tell us what you REALLY think!
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Old Dec 10, 2009 | 10:46 pm
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Aww, don't sugar-coat it; tell us what you REALLY think!
Oops, I guess my blood pressure did jump after all
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Old Dec 10, 2009 | 11:29 pm
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Can someone please PM me a way of getting the SOP? I tried the link on the first page, found it, but didn't see where I could download it.

Thanks!
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 2:02 am
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Originally Posted by AngryMiller
Flew out of MSP today. The mood at the checkpoint was decidely chilly. No yelling, bags weren't torn apart. Perhaps they had a sobering briefing from management.

PV had gone silent with no updates either. Blogdad Bob didn't have a good Monday either.

As to the validity of the document, I've written many, many documents and suspect that while some sections have changed that the meat of the document still resembles what we're reading today.
Oh ABSOLUTELY!

The vast 'meat' of this document is intact with some minor tinkering and additions. In fact it shouldn't be that hard to make any updates to the document to bring it current just by common knowledge.

In my experience as a writer of these sort of 'tombs' - they change very little from version to version
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 4:34 am
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Originally Posted by Trollkiller
Everything I have read so far there is no Federal law against publishing classified documents let alone SENSITIVE documents. On the downside the Government has tried to use espionage statutes against those that have published classified documents.

The SOP version I am hosting is the second one released. My version had the SSI claim removed and in fact the file name is OP_NO_SSI.pdf

I should be safe because there is no claim to SSI made as required by law.
I agree -- Probably 200 posts ago, I posted what the EO 12958 and other executive branch guidance says about private citizen possession of classified material. In real espionage cases, classified information is surrepticiously removed from government possession and passed to a foreign person. There is money or other sort of compensation involved. This SSI stuff doesn't even come close. There could be administrative sanctions levied against those who mishandled it in the TSA. But, any private citizen who manages to come in contact with this information can wrap Christmas presents with it if they want.

King and his buddies are in the minority in Congress right now, so, the best he can do is to run around acting like Foghorn Leghorn.
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 5:11 am
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Originally Posted by Trollkiller
Fixed.

And here is the real question, do you think the black Suburbans will show up now?
Have you sent it yet? I'd consider adding the great quote from the comments section of the WaPo article:

"...you have put in charge of a vital function a bunch of strutting martinets whose combination of incompetence and arrogance staggers the human mind and makes them more of a danger to the traveling public than the terrorists they are supposed to be ferreting out. "

May we have permission to send copies of your letter to our own Congresspeople?
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 5:15 am
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Feel free to include as much of my letter that is appropriate in your own letters to your representatives.

I wrote that letter specifically for Rep King in response to a letter he wroe to Nappy. If you are sending it to your Rep you may want to change all the "you" to Rep King.
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 5:38 am
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Originally Posted by Trollkiller
Feel free to include as much of my letter that is appropriate in your own letters to your representatives.

I wrote that letter specifically for Rep King in response to a letter he wroe to Nappy. If you are sending it to your Rep you may want to change all the "you" to Rep King.
Has anyone else noticed the drop off in TSOs visiting this site? Wonder if someone told them that visiting/commenting on this site put their miserable career in jeopardy?

Hey TK, looks like this topic has become so radioactive that TSA employees fear coming even remotely close.
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 6:02 am
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Originally Posted by Trollkiller
Everything I have read so far there is no Federal law against publishing classified documents let alone SENSITIVE documents.
Even if there were, the Supreme Court has ruled against them.
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 7:25 am
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I call Representative King's office this morning. Unlike Schumer his phones actually work. I was told to speak with someone from the Committee on Homeland Security and, of course, that guy isn't at his desk.

Not too much of a surprise, I suppose.
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 8:42 am
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Originally Posted by AngryMiller
Has anyone else noticed the drop off in TSOs visiting this site? Wonder if someone told them that visiting/commenting on this site put their miserable career in jeopardy?

Hey TK, looks like this topic has become so radioactive that TSA employees fear coming even remotely close.
Yep, I'd taken note of that. One disappeared after two days and our favorite, TSORon, has not shown up at all. Although I've not looked on a regular basis, I've seen neither of their names listed in the "Currently Active Users" list.

TSAers, or alleged TSAers, also seem to be absent from PV, with the exception of Reed from AK.
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 9:18 am
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Federal law on redistribution of information

44 U.S.C. 3506(d)

With respect to information dissemination, each agency shall—

(1) ensure that the public has timely and equitable access to the
agency's public information, including ensuring such access through—
(A) encouraging a diversity of public and private sources for
information based on government public information;
(B) in cases in which the agency provides public information maintained
in electronic format, providing timely and equitable access to the
underlying data (in whole or in part); and
(C) agency dissemination of public information in an efficient,
effective, and economical manner;

(2) regularly solicit and consider public input on the agency’s
information dissemination activities;

(3) provide adequate notice when initiating, substantially modifying, or
terminating significant information dissemination products; and

(4) not, except where specifically authorized by statute—
(A) establish an exclusive, restricted, or other distribution
arrangement that interferes with timely and equitable availability of
public information to the public;
(B) restrict or regulate the use, resale, or redissemination of public
information by the public;

(C) charge fees or royalties for resale or redissemination of public
information; or
(D) establish user fees for public information that exceed the cost of
dissemination.
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 9:22 am
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Originally Posted by ehasbrouck
44 U.S.C. 3506(d)

With respect to information dissemination, each agency shall

(1) ensure that the public has timely and equitable access to the
agency's public information, including ensuring such access through
(A) encouraging a diversity of public and private sources for
information based on government public information;
(B) in cases in which the agency provides public information maintained
in electronic format, providing timely and equitable access to the
underlying data (in whole or in part); and
(C) agency dissemination of public information in an efficient,
effective, and economical manner;

(2) regularly solicit and consider public input on the agencys
information dissemination activities;

(3) provide adequate notice when initiating, substantially modifying, or
terminating significant information dissemination products; and

(4) not, except where specifically authorized by statute
(A) establish an exclusive, restricted, or other distribution
arrangement that interferes with timely and equitable availability of
public information to the public;
(B) restrict or regulate the use, resale, or redissemination of public
information by the public;

(C) charge fees or royalties for resale or redissemination of public
information; or
(D) establish user fees for public information that exceed the cost of
dissemination.
You may need a clue X 4 but what point are you making?
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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 10:29 am
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
You may need a clue X 4 but what point are you making?
The biggest clue is that which was posted applies to the respective government agency.

Given what I know -- including from his site's link to http://papersplease.org/sf_faq.html-- ehasbrouck, as intended, seems to be reinforcing the point that the American public ought to have nothing to fear in distributing such material/information.

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Old Dec 11, 2009 | 10:33 am
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
You may need a clue X 4 but what point are you making?
That federal law as quoted explicitly protects the right to use or redisseminate info (such as, in this case, the Screening Management SOP) once a government agency makes it public, as they have done.
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