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This thread--a continuation of previous discussions through May 2015 and December 2016--focuses on general Chase policies & practices for new applications. For information on specific Chase cards and their bonuses/terms/benefits, see the following threads and their associated wikis: Table of Contents
  1. Does Chase have a limit on the number or frequency of applications like Citi's 8/65 rule?

  2. What's this I hear about Chase denying applications to people who have recently opened a lot of credit cards?

  3. Does the 5/24 rule apply to applications for all Chase cards?

  4. How does Chase calculate the number of an applicant's new cards for purposes of the 5/24 rule?

  5. How does Chase calculate the relevant 24-month period? By calendar months? By exact days?

  6. Can I get around the 5/24 policy by closing cards I've opened in the past 24 months?

  7. Is there any way around the 5/24 policy (targeted mailers, pre-approvals, Chase Private Client status)?

  8. Can I apply for a specific Chase card and earn the bonus again after doing so previously?

  9. I'm an authorized user for a card issued to my spouse/parent. Does that prevent me from signing up for the same card and earning a bonus?

  10. I already have several Chase cards with a substantial aggregate line of credit. Will it improve my odds if I close an existing account (or lower its credit line) before applying for another?

  11. I wasn't auto-approved. Should I call in?

  12. How can I determine the deadline for meeting the spend requirement to earn the signup bonus?

  13. Once I meet the card's spend requirement, how soon will I receive my signup bonus points?

  14. Should I downgrade or cancel my existing cards before applying?

  15. Useful Chase telephone numbers

Does Chase have a limit on the number or frequency of applications like Citi's 8/65 rule?
Chase does not have a known limit. However, several reports (for example) indicate that Chase is highly sensitive to multiple applications within a short time period, and that the second (or subsequent) applications run a substantial risk of being denied. In many cases, this is likely related to Chase's practice of allocating a large credit line (up to an applicant's personal maximum) when approving a new card such as the first application in a series. (See also the discussion below concerning aggregate Chase credit lines.)

What's this I hear about Chase denying applications to people who have recently opened a lot of credit cards?
Starting in May 2015, Chase began denying applications for its own personal cards (e.g., Sapphire Preferred, Freedom, Slate & Freedom Unlimited) if the applicant's credit report shows that she or he opened 5 or more credit cards with any card issuer in the prior 24 months ("the 5/24 rule").

For a few days in early September 2016, Chase included explicit language ("You will not be approved for this card if you have opened 5 or more bank cards in the past 24 months") on the application page for the Sapphire Reserve card--and then promptly removed it. The absence of this language on landing/application pages for the CSR or any other Chase card is not a reliable indicator of whether the 5/24 policy applies.

See the next section for co-branded cards exempt from the 5/24 policy, and the later section discussing potential ways around 5/24.

Does the 5/24 rule apply to applications for all Chase cards?
Previously the rule did not apply to applications for the Ink Plus business card or to co-branded cards such as United, Hyatt, IHG, etc. However, on May 22, 2016 Chase extended its 5/24 rule to cover Ink business cards and some co-branded cards. (Note that there were premature reports that Chase Ink Plus would be made subject to the rule in March 2016 (which did not happen), and that all co-branded cards would follow in April 2016 (also did not happen).)

Although we had numerous reports of applications prior to May 22 being denied for a United/Hyatt/IHG/WN card by a CSR citing the 5/24 rule, the available evidence strongly suggested that those applicants had other serious issues--multiple Chase applications in a short period; large existing Chase credit line--and that overzealous CSRs gratuitously (and erroneously) invoked the 5/24 rule in the past as an additional supposed justification for the denial. Thus, it is difficult to separate such false positives from any change in Chase policy.

Instead, the most useful data points are those where an applicant is approved for a Chase card despite being over 5/24. Since May 22, 2016, we have such reports for these co-branded cards (in order from oldest to newest for each card):
For a longer list of cards apparently not subject to 5/24, check this link:
In November 2018, Chase seems to have possibly expanded 5/24 to more cards, possibly including some mentioned above. See this link:
Please follow discussion in the thread for current updates.

How does Chase calculate the number of an applicant's new cards for purposes of the 5/24 rule?
The 24-month count includes personal cards opened at other banks, and even cards on which the applicant is only an authorized user and not the primary cardholder. Chase has been extremely inflexible with this policy, with agents stating that there is nothing they can do to circumvent this restriction. However, in some cases Chase may reconsider a denial if the applicant has <5 new cards excluding cards on which s/he is an authorized user. You may need to escalate to the next level of customer service agent, as many front-line agents seem to be unable or unwilling to remove the authorized user accounts from the count.

Note:

How does Chase calculate the relevant 24-month period? By calendar months? By exact days?
In February 2017, a FTer reported a successful application a day or two after dropping from 5/24 to 4/24. However, because Chase sometimes approves applicants who are at 5/24 exactly (see above), this data point does not conclusively prove that Chase drops cards from its calculation on the exact 24-month anniversary of the previous bonus.

Can I get around the 5/24 policy by closing cards I've opened in the past 24 months?
No. Chase uses the information from your credit report, and closing an account doesn't make it disappear.

Is there any way around the 5/24 policy (targeted mailers, pre-approvals, Chase Private Client status)?
As to targeted mailers, we have insufficient anecdotal evidence to reach any reliable conclusions. (Reports suggesting no exemption from 5/24 here and here.)

There have been reports of people with more than 5 cards opened in the last 24 months being successful if they are already pre-approved for the card in question. To find out if you are pre-approved, you can call or go into a branch to ask. Success stories appear to be connected to Chase Private Client (CPC) status and the rollout of the Chase Sapphire Reserve card. In-branch pre-approvals (showing a green screen on the banker's computer) result in automatic approvals. Some (but not all) CPC clients had success in recon calls[[I]citation needed].

Can I apply for a specific Chase card and earn the bonus again after doing so previously?
It depends. A Chase card may be "churned" when an entirely new version becomes available. For example, business cards are distinct from personal/consumer cards. Note that simple variations among bonus offers do not amount to new versions/products for purposes of this rule.

Beginning in 2014, Chase began including explicit language in most of its offers, such as the following:
This new cardmember bonus offer is not available to either (i) current cardmembers of this consumer credit card, or (ii) previous cardmembers of this consumer credit card who received a new cardmember bonus for this consumer credit card within the last 24 months.
Effective August 2018, Chase imposed stringent additional restrictions on receiving the signup bonus for any version of the Sapphire card. See Sapphire (CSR & CSP) 48 months between bonuses, August 2018 and the master threads for each card (listed above) for details and discussion.

There are four key considerations in determining whether you can churn a given card:
  • The 5/24 policy discussed in detail above.
  • The 24-month bonus waiting period--in the case of Sapphire cards, the collective 48-month period--is measured not from the date of your previous application (or approval date, if different), but instead from the date you received the signup-related bonus on the previous card, which may be 3-4 months later than the approval date. The same rule applies regardless of the type of signup bonus received (points, miles, or free-night certs); anniversary benefits unrelated to spending requirements, such as annual IHG & Marriott certs, do not count as signup bonuses.
  • If you still have your old card of the same type, you're ineligible.
  • Chase's policy does not indicate whether there is also a minimum waiting period between cancellation and reapplication, and there is not yet sufficient anecdotal evidence from FTers to draw firm conclusions. At a minimum, a prudent churner will wait at least a week or two after cancellation before reapplying so that all of Chase's systems fully reflect that closure. (See first bullet point above.) At least one FTer has reported re-applying successfully 14 days after canceling the previous card.
Finally, note that if you reapply too soon, Chase may still issue you the new card. (This differs from some other card issuers, which may deny such applications outright.) In this case, Chase typically notifies you by letter within a month or two after approval that, as a previous cardholder, you will not receive the bonus a second time.

I'm an authorized user for a card issued to my spouse/parent. Does that prevent me from signing up for the same card and earning a bonus?
No. Being an additional user on someone else's account poses no bar to applying for that same card & bonus, except insofar as such cards may count toward the 5/24 rule (as discussed above).

I already have several Chase cards with a substantial aggregate line of credit. Will it improve my odds if I close an existing account (or lower its credit line) before applying for another?
Yes.

In the past, the conventional wisdom among FTers was that you were more likely to hurt your chances by closing an account or reducing CL unilaterally. However, substantial evidence from 2014 onward strongly indicates that Chase is increasingly likely to reject applications (or at least not auto-approve them) where an applicant has an existing total credit line that is high compared to his/her income & spending patterns. (For many members, the threshold appears to be in the $45K-60K range, but that is highly speculative.)

Recent reports suggest that closing accounts and/or voluntarily reducing credit lines increases the odds of auto-approval or in-branch pre-approval. (You can do either by calling or simply sending a secure message through your Chase online account. You do not need to provide a reason for the request.) For best results, keep at least $5K-10K in excess credit; if your application is not approved, you can always contact the reconsideration department and offer to reallocate that portion of your existing credit line. Note: despite allowing credit line to be moved between personal and business accounts in the past, Chase is no longer permitting such reallocation in either direction.

With respect to timing, it is better to reduce any CL as soon as you can conveniently do so, e.g., after meeting the bonus spend on a card you do not plan to use regularly thereafter. (Do not reduce CL on a given card if it would increase your "credit utiilization"--that is, the ratio of outstanding balance to CL--above ~30%. A high credit utilization number is a red flag for banks and can adversely affect your credit score.) Waiting until one's next application to lower a CL is less than optimal, as the reduced CL is not immediately recognized by all of Chase's systems.

There is no known minimum wait between lowering a CL and having the freed-up amount become available for purposes of a new application. A prudent applicant will, as recommended above, plan well in advance; failing that, an applicant would be wise to wait at least 24 hours between lowering a CL and applying for a new card.

I wasn't auto-approved. Should I call in?
It may be better to avoid calling Chase unless your application is denied. Many recent calls on pending applications led to denials, and many people report having success letting applications work their way through the system. Be patient. Time is on your side; increasingly, Chase CSRs are not.

If you do call, expect extensive and possibly hostile questioning. Be prepared to answer questions regarding the need for more credit, past credit apps for both Chase and other banks, income, business finances, etc. Know your CLs with Chase before you call so you know which card/s you are willing to decrease the CLs on. If the app is for a significant other who dislikes such calls, they can authorize you to speak on their behalf and hand the phone over to you.

How can I determine the deadline for meeting the spend requirement to earn the signup bonus?
Just send Chase a secure message (SM) through your online account. Although the deadline should in theory be N months from the date of approval (not the date of application or card activation)--where N is the number of months specified in the offer--Chase typically pads this period to account for the time required to fabricate and deliver physical cards. For example, a recent "3-month" deadline was in fact 114 days, as confirmed by Chase's SM confirmation.

Once I meet the card's spend requirement, how soon will I receive my signup bonus points?
Bonus points typically accrue at the close of the billing period in which you incur the corresponding charges. Points should appear in your hotel/airline account within a few days thereafter.

NOTE: If you complete your required spending in the last 7-10 days of the statement period, the bonus may not post until the following month's statement, even if the regular per-dollar points post on the first statement. This is normal behavior for Chase and is not worth a phone call.

Should I downgrade or cancel my existing cards before applying?
Useful Chase telephone numbers
(800) 432-3117 – General Application Status Line, automated
(800) 436-7927 – Alternative General Application Status Line, automated
(888) 609-7805 – Alternative Personal Reconsideration line with live rep
(888) 269-8690 - Business Credit Card Application Status Line, automated
(800) 453-9719 – Business Credit Card Reconsideration Line with live rep
(800) 955-9900 – General Card Services and Application status, automated
(888) 298-5623 – Credit Reallocation Office (Personal cards)
(800) 453-9719 – Credit Reallocation Office (Business cards)
(888) 622-7547 – Executive Offices
(877) 470-9042 – Personal Application Verification line with live rep
Twitter: @ChaseSupport
Note: In the past, automated telephone status reports stating that Chase would notify you in 2 weeks often resulted in an approval, whereas the "7-10 days" telephone recording often indicated imminent denial. In 2016, this pattern became increasingly unpredictable, with many applicants receiving approval despite an earlier "7-10 days" automated telephone message. As a result, automated telephone responses should not be regarded as reliable indicators of an application's likely outcome.
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Old May 24, 2018, 11:34 am
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Originally Posted by mileshound
Something is up with 5/24. TPG, OMAAT and VFTW all have new articles about 5/24. It can't be a coincidence that 3 major credit card pushers all have the same topic within a day of each other and it is not the new "hot' card. Chase may be sending a message.
Originally Posted by Tony300S
Joke? Today's date is......

See the subject of my post above?
Exactly. Today is 5/24, hence the "Happy 5/24 Day" recognition.
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Old May 24, 2018, 12:41 pm
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Originally Posted by Tony300S
Joke? Today's date is......

See the subject of my post above?
uggg...I'm so stupid or I think it is 4/20 today
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Old May 24, 2018, 1:17 pm
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Originally Posted by Tony300S
The Ultimate Guide to Chase’s 5/24 Rule

https://thepointsguy.com/guide/ultim...ase-5-24-rule/
TPG post linked here says in order to avoid a complete Chase shutdown, if you are over 5/24 and want to apply for a Chase card that is not subject to 5/24, you should go 6 MONTHS without applying for a card from any bank. I've heard reports of Chase shutdowns for years, but they seemed to be unlikely if you weren't really pushing things, like spending 50K at office stores with your INK with a stated annual income of 30K, etc.

Isn't waiting 6 months being very paranoid? I want to apply for the 2 new IHG cards (not both at once) and I'm not only way beyond 5/24, I'm currently 6/6. I can't imagine going 6 months without any other apps. Quitting heroin would be easier than that. :-)
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Old May 24, 2018, 1:30 pm
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2 new IHG cards? Wasn’t there only one
Just checked there were two but why bother with the traveler one and waste an application and not go Marriott/BA/Iberia/.....

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Old May 24, 2018, 4:08 pm
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Originally Posted by blitzen
2 new IHG cards? Wasn’t there only one
Just checked there were two but why bother with the traveler one and waste an application and not go Marriott/BA/Iberia/.....

Enough points for 2 nights at our favorite Crowne Plaza in Europe (where they always upgrade us to a Suite) for $29, ie $14.50 a night. Already have a ton of Avios, which we only use for short haul European "business" flights with B/A. We could use them for AA domestic flights, but we're not "economy class" people. :-)

At least for flights over 90 minutes. And for US flights under 90 min SW suits us just fine.

But still have the question, will applying for another Chase card, be it IHG or Marriott/BA/Iberia, cause too much scrutiny from Chase since I'm 6/6? I'm thinking No Way, but thought I'd ask for a second opinion.
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Old May 25, 2018, 12:03 am
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I've just started playing this game. I thought it was best to start with Chase since it seems, with 5/24, if I don't start with Chase I will not have the opportunity again for a long time. I'm at 1/24 now, a Chase Freedom Unlimited I opened last month after having no active tradelines for five years. Chase pulls a certain cra almost always here. My FICO8 with that CRA is now 715 with this card reporting (16 years oldest, 10 years AAoA). Only negative is a 30 day late from early 2012 and it will be gone in under a year. I was orignally planning on applying for the CSP next but I was only given an $2000 limit ($36k income) for the Freedom Unlimited so now I'm not sure what to do. Should I apply for the Ink card? Should open another personal card first and then apply for the CSP later down the road? At least then if I get denied I can call for recon and offer to reduce the limits on my existing cards? Or is $36k just not enough income for CSP? I could also apply for CSP at some point and then if denied apply for something else to combine the inquiries. I'm not particularly attached to the CSP but it looks like one of the better offers. Is there a listing somewhere of the approximate cash values of the current Chase offers? Sorry for asking so many questions at once but all this information is rather overwhelming at first. I don't want to miss out on good Chase offers, but I also don't want to miss out more overall by waiting around and trying to maximize with Chase
You're in a bit of a unique situation with a long credit history/AAoA, but limited Chase history. I would personally space the applications out a bit, with your CFU so recently opened. Say 3-6 months.

To follow up on your idea about going for another card to combine HPs, it's a good idea, but often, Chase won't notify you of a denial outright. You'd likely have to call recon and manually push to either get it approved, reviewed further or be notified of the reason for denial. Along these lines, if meeting the min spend is not a concern, I'd consider applying for the CSP and CSR on the same day, double dipping. But I'd agree that with limited income, it may be tough to get approved for the premium cards (e.g. CSP, CSR, Ink Preferred). I'd recommend considering all your cumulative income/revenue streams, to see about reporting a higher figure.

As for evaluating the sign up offers' values, can Google around for cash value. It'd largely depend on the type of points earned, whether Ultimate Rewards, Marriott, Southwest, etc.
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Old May 25, 2018, 1:29 pm
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In the end I was given the 'wait 30 days' message after the online application.

When I called the reconsideration line, I found that I was denied for the new Marriott Premier Plus due to too many account openings in the last two years. (the so-called '5/24' rule.

The representative offered to send me to another agent to re-instate the recently closed Marriott Premier.

However, at this point, already having the Ritz card for Gold Elite status, I basically told them that I have other banks that I can work with, and ended the call.

They did in fact do a hard credit pull, which really is not a great thing.

When I went back through my credit report, it was evident that they counted every single account that showed up as being opened within the last 2 years. It didn't matter what type of account (credit, loan, mortgage, etc). It also didn't matter if these were AU or direct openings. It was basically a computerized scan of the credit report, likely at a rotating set of credit agencies (the first one was Equifax, the second was Experian), with no human intervention.

The computers were just scanning for the word 'Opened' and the 'date opened'.

This would also explain the strange issues surrounding beginning of the month, end of the month. Credit reports generally just show the month/year that an account was opened, not the exact date.

The card issuers are basically shooting themselves in the foot, when they turn down individuals with high credit scores (800 +), and no issues paying bills on time.

This is not a revenue issue for the banks. I suspect that they just feel like 'they are being taken advantage of' (which is an immature business reaction).
  1. The banks are raking in huge amounts of cash from the 5+% 'commission' when the cards are used in retail outlets for purchases.
  2. On top of that, they are also pulling in massive amounts of income from individual who stretch out payments over a longer period of time.
  3. The cost per point/mile of these bonuses is pretty tiny, in comparison to all of the above.
  4. The banks also work out deals with the travel providers (Marriott, AA, etc) so that they are able to buy millions of these miles for much less than the 1 penny market price.
  5. I suspect that the gravy train is nearing the end.
I first started in this game over 10 years ago, when it was easy to churn Citi cards repeatedly, and carefully churn Chase cards.

During the heyday of this, I raked in over 400,000 AA miles and 250,000+ Marriott Rewards points.

At this point, due to the massive press, and online instructional sites, I suspect the end of the road is near.
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Old May 25, 2018, 9:12 pm
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Originally Posted by jerrythea
When I went back through my credit report, it was evident that they counted every single account that showed up as being opened within the last 2 years. It didn't matter what type of account (credit, loan, mortgage, etc). It also didn't matter if these were AU or direct openings. It was basically a computerized scan of the credit report, likely at a rotating set of credit agencies (the first one was Equifax, the second was Experian), with no human intervention.
If you feel the system over counted, you can just hang-up-try-again with another recon rep. That's often what it takes to request that they not consider the non primary accounts, whether AU accounts, etc. Some reps are more willing to help than others.

You can have your Experian/Equifax credit report in front of you while explicitly asking them which accounts they're looking at.
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Old May 26, 2018, 7:29 am
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I've just started playing this game. I thought it was best to start with Chase since it seems, with 5/24, if I don't start with Chase I will not have the opportunity again for a long time. I'm at 1/24 now, a Chase Freedom Unlimited I opened last month after having no active tradelines for five years. Chase pulls a certain cra almost always here. My FICO8 with that CRA is now 715 with this card reporting (16 years oldest, 10 years AAoA). Only negative is a 30 day late from early 2012 and it will be gone in under a year. . I don't want to miss out on good Chase offers, but I also don't want to miss out more overall by waiting around and trying to maximize with Chase
Welcome to FT, PFTSOP.
Card offers come and go, so pick your cards carefully and proceed slowly. Unless you have some compelling reason to get another bank card beside Chase, most people here would stick with Chase for the first 5 cards, and business cards from other banks, before moving on. Your low income in comparison to aggregate line of credit should be something that you keep a close eye upon. Proactively manage and lower your CLs if they creep up, so that an internal review of your accounts won't trigger an alarm reaction in the back office. Don't run a balance and don't nip at the top edges of the CL they give you. Use your cards regularly and pay on time. Be sure to use that older credit card now and again.

Your credit score is fairly low for this crowd, but I think you'll see it go up as you start to utilize your credit cards more and make timely payments. My mom moved in with us a while back, and her profile, although older than yours, was similar. Her fixed income is about the same as yours. We did not use household income on her applications. She had 2 open, longstanding credit cards, one was about 10 years old. Neither got much use. We are all Chase CPC clients, and she started slowly adding 5 Chase cards to her portfolio. We were careful to avoid any alarm triggers, such as missing a payment or exceeding 20-35% of the credit line. All 5 Chase cards are in good standing, each with minor but regular usage. We will/did downgrade to no fee cards when that strategy is appropriate... no card closures for this set of cards. Her credit score has increased, her credit lines have been raised, and we added a Citi card to her portfolio back in December, and an Amex business card as well. The Citibank card took 3 attempts and some additional verification, which indicates to me that lenders are still viewing her cautiously. We have no immediate plans to add cards (torture!!!), but will take it slow and easy for the long haul.
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Old May 27, 2018, 10:52 am
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TPG post linked here says in order to avoid a complete Chase shutdown, if you are over 5/24 and want to apply for a Chase card that is not subject to 5/24, you should go 6 MONTHS without applying for a card from any bank. I've heard reports of Chase shutdowns for years, but they seemed to be unlikely if you weren't really pushing things, like spending 50K at office stores with your INK with a stated annual income of 30K, etc.

Isn't waiting 6 months being very paranoid? I want to apply for the 2 new IHG cards (not both at once) and I'm not only way beyond 5/24, I'm currently 6/6. I can't imagine going 6 months without any other apps. Quitting heroin would be easier than that. :-)
Only without applying for a personal card from any bank. Chase can't see business cards from most banks, and so they can't count them.

I switched to only applying for business cards about a year and a half ago, before I got down to 4/24 a couple months ago. I can now balance "endless" business cards with an average of one personal card (Chase or otherwise) every 6 months (to stay 4/24 or below).

Now, since I have way more AA miles than I need for a decade or more, I was able to lay off Citi (except for one Citi AA business application). And I only churn to the degree that I can "naturally" do all the required purchases for each card (ie, I don't MS). With all that said, I didn't find it all that hard to switch to business cards only for 1.5 years. But of course it depends on lots on the specifics of what you want to churn.

And thus when I applied for a business Marriott card (exempt from 5/24) late last year, I was "naturally" 0/6 in Chase's eyes, because they don't count what doesn't show on a credit report (meaning business cads from all but Discover and Cap One). Then, since that card didn't go onto a credit report, when I applied for a personal Marriott card (not exempt from 5/24) in the past couple months, I again looked like 0/6 to Chase.

Anyway,, while I would surprised if they really expect 0/6 from everyone, I also wouldn't be surprised if they balk at 6/6 (typical AA mailer frenzy).

But it all may depend on your relationship with Chase. Me, I have a Freedom card that I use quite a bit for the rotating categories, and I have a couple hotel cards that I always use when staying at those hotels. Someone who "sock drawers" all their existing Chase cards, for them Chase might look quite differently than someone who uses their Chase cards regularly, year in year out.
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Old May 27, 2018, 10:58 am
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Originally Posted by sdsearch
Only without applying for a personal card from any bank. Chase can't see business cards from most banks, and so they can't count them.

I switched to only applying for business cards about a year and a half ago, before I got down to 4/24 a couple months ago. I can now balance "endless" business cards with an average of one personal card (Chase or otherwise) every 6 months.

Now, since I have way more AA miles than I need for a decade or more, I was able to lay off Citi (except for one Citi AA business application). And I only churn to the degree that I can "naturally" do all the required purchases for each card (ie, I don't MS). With all that said, I didn't find it all that hard to switch to business cards only for 1.5 years. But of course it depends on lots on the specifics of what you want to churn.

And thus when I applied for a business Marriott card (exempt from 5/24) late last year, I was "naturally" 0/6 in Chase's eyes, because they don't count what doesn't show on a credit report (meaning business cads from all but Discover and Cap One). Then, since that card didn't go onto a credit report, when I applied for a personal Marriott card (not exempt from 5/24) in the past couple months, I again looked like 0/6 to Chase.

Anyway,, while I would surprised if they really expect 0/6 from everyone, I also wouldn't be surprised if they balk at 6/6 (typical AA mailer frenzy).

But it all may depend on your relationship with Chase. Me, I have a Freedom card that I use quite a bit for the rotating categories, and I have a couple hotel cards that I always use when staying at those hotels. Someone who "sock drawers" all their existing Chase cards, for them Chase might look quite differently than someone who uses their Chase cards regularly, year in year out.
Just be careful as Chase isn't as easy as they used to be. A lot of hard pull without new account afterwards could ring alarm bells as it points to
- a lot new business cards
- CL increases
- application but denials
Each and everyone can become a risk factor in the eyes of Chase
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Old May 29, 2018, 7:03 pm
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What should I do in this case:

I am way under 5/24, maybe have 1 card opened in the past two years. Average age of account about 10 years, income around 200k. Clean credit history, mortgage paid off. Applied for UA card and went pending. Called in and agent asked if I could move 10k line from my Sapphire Reserve, I said yes. She said it has to be reviewed by her manager. Got a letter today saying I was denied because of "not enough credit history".... Is there another reconsideration line I should call?
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Old Jun 1, 2018, 11:48 am
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So the day is here, back at 4/24 and applied for the Ink Cash this morning as a SP, and got the 30-day decision notice email and screen.

Now what? Call in, wait it out? I see WiKi says wait...but was planning to follow up with a CSP app ASAP to avoid a second inquiry. If denied still any chance for other Chase cards or go elsewhere?

Checking my Chase personal account app status shows nothing yet (will it show business apps?), but I got an alert that an inquiry was added to my Experian credit report.

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Old Jun 1, 2018, 11:58 am
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Originally Posted by bluegatorade
What should I do in this case:

I am way under 5/24, maybe have 1 card opened in the past two years. Average age of account about 10 years, income around 200k. Clean credit history, mortgage paid off. Applied for UA card and went pending. Called in and agent asked if I could move 10k line from my Sapphire Reserve, I said yes. She said it has to be reviewed by her manager. Got a letter today saying I was denied because of "not enough credit history".... Is there another reconsideration line I should call?
There is a missing piece to the puzzle as when the AAOA is 10 years how can there be "not enough credit history"? How many open accounts are on your report?
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Old Jun 1, 2018, 12:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Tony300S
So the day is here, back at 4/24 and applied for the Ink Cash this morning as a SP, and got the 30-day decision notice email and screen.

Now what? Call in, wait it out? I see WiKi says wait...but was planning to follow up with a CSP app ASAP to avoid a second inquiry. If denied still any chance for other Chase cards or go elsewhere?

Checking my Chase personal account app status shows nothing yet (will it show business apps?), but I got an alert that an inquiry was added to my Experian credit report.

Vantage Score 3.0 via Chase - 724
FICO Score 8 via Experian App - 794
Chase seem to less and less give instant approvals. My last two cards were pending and without me doing anything they were approved (Chased move the CL around) ... why would there be a second inquiry? They have all the info they need to make their decision in the credit report they just pulled.
I would wait a week and if the accounts do not show online I would call to see what the problem is.
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