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oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards Wiki v0.1
Rules
1. You need two non CX/KA carriers
2. You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits (<=24hrs) and 2 open jaws. You can use your stopover allowance as a transit, possibly by asking for it to be ticketed as such (extra taxes?). [Using stopover for transit is no longer possible since 2021/22?]
3. The open-jaw points do not count towards your stopover allowance. Neither does the final city on the itinerary
4. You must start and end in the same country.
5. To determine the miles required, add up all flight sectors on your itinerary and look up the award chart (ignore the distance between open-jaw points). gcmap.com is handy, though best to go via asiamiles' calculator.
6. Co-terminals (NRT/HND, LHR/LCY) do not count as an open-jaw (takes up 1 stopover/transit allowance).
If an itinerary clears the above, it is valid, though you may have to argue a lot back and forth. Keep your patience suit on and and keep referring to the terms & conditions ("What in the T&Cs makes this invalid" tends to work).
For the examples below, x=transit, o=stopover, and capitalized alphabets represent airports.
Some valid routings that have commonly been pushed back on
1. "You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once". A-oB-oA-oC-oD-A is a valid itinerary.
2. "An open-jaw point is a stopover". A-oB-oC-D//E-oF-G//H-oI-oJ-A is valid, as is A-oB-xC-D//E-oF-G//H-xI-oJ-oK-oL-A.
Other tips
1. Tickets are valid for 1 year from the date of issuance. Potentially a pain when planning that dream RTW trip involving LATAM/AA which release seats 330 days out, that you're trying to tee-in with CX award seats released a year out.
2. A combination of BA/AA/LATAM/QF sites works well to research availability (look for saver availability)
3. You can go crazy on the routings- A-oB-A//C-oD-C//E-A is fine if A,B,E are in country/Region # 1, and, C,D are at the other end of the world.
Rules
1. You need two non CX/KA carriers
2. You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits (<=24hrs) and 2 open jaws. You can use your stopover allowance as a transit, possibly by asking for it to be ticketed as such (extra taxes?). [Using stopover for transit is no longer possible since 2021/22?]
3. The open-jaw points do not count towards your stopover allowance. Neither does the final city on the itinerary
4. You must start and end in the same country.
5. To determine the miles required, add up all flight sectors on your itinerary and look up the award chart (ignore the distance between open-jaw points). gcmap.com is handy, though best to go via asiamiles' calculator.
6. Co-terminals (NRT/HND, LHR/LCY) do not count as an open-jaw (takes up 1 stopover/transit allowance).
If an itinerary clears the above, it is valid, though you may have to argue a lot back and forth. Keep your patience suit on and and keep referring to the terms & conditions ("What in the T&Cs makes this invalid" tends to work).
For the examples below, x=transit, o=stopover, and capitalized alphabets represent airports.
Some valid routings that have commonly been pushed back on
1. "You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once". A-oB-oA-oC-oD-A is a valid itinerary.
2. "An open-jaw point is a stopover". A-oB-oC-D//E-oF-G//H-oI-oJ-A is valid, as is A-oB-xC-D//E-oF-G//H-xI-oJ-oK-oL-A.
Other tips
1. Tickets are valid for 1 year from the date of issuance. Potentially a pain when planning that dream RTW trip involving LATAM/AA which release seats 330 days out, that you're trying to tee-in with CX award seats released a year out.
2. A combination of BA/AA/LATAM/QF sites works well to research availability (look for saver availability)
3. You can go crazy on the routings- A-oB-A//C-oD-C//E-A is fine if A,B,E are in country/Region # 1, and, C,D are at the other end of the world.
oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards - sharing ideas
#736
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 177
Hi Guys. Newbie to multi carrier awards so please bear with me. Have a few questions.
I have a couple of round trips and one ways already ticketed.
HKG - DEL - HKG (CX)
HK - DOH - MAN (QR)
MAN - HKG (CX)
These flights are around 18,000 miles. I do understand we need 2 partner airlines. So lets say i added in this sector
HKG - DEL - HKG (CX)
HK - DOH - MAN (QR)
MAN - LHR (BA)
LHR - MAN (BA)
MAN - HKG (CX)
Is this a valid routing? I assume around 20,000 miles so should be 165K in business. If valid route, question is can i call and give them the existing reservations and ask them to change it to a multi carrier award???
Would this be a valid routing?
HKG - DEL - HKG (CX)
HK - DOH - MAN (QR)
MAN - LHR (BA)
LHR - MAN (BA)
MAN - HKG (CX)
HKG - JFK - HKG (QR or CX)
Thanks in advance.
I have a couple of round trips and one ways already ticketed.
HKG - DEL - HKG (CX)
HK - DOH - MAN (QR)
MAN - HKG (CX)
These flights are around 18,000 miles. I do understand we need 2 partner airlines. So lets say i added in this sector
HKG - DEL - HKG (CX)
HK - DOH - MAN (QR)
MAN - LHR (BA)
LHR - MAN (BA)
MAN - HKG (CX)
Is this a valid routing? I assume around 20,000 miles so should be 165K in business. If valid route, question is can i call and give them the existing reservations and ask them to change it to a multi carrier award???
Would this be a valid routing?
HKG - DEL - HKG (CX)
HK - DOH - MAN (QR)
MAN - LHR (BA)
LHR - MAN (BA)
MAN - HKG (CX)
HKG - JFK - HKG (QR or CX)
Thanks in advance.
Last edited by rocket69; Sep 12, 2018 at 1:20 am
#737
Join Date: May 2012
Location: SIN
Programs: JL GC | Marriott LT Silver | Global Entry | SQ Silver
Posts: 6,819
Hi Guys. Newbie to multi carrier awards so please bear with me. Have a few questions.
I have a couple of round trips and one ways already ticketed.
HKG - DEL - HKG (CX)
HK - DOH - MAN (QR)
MAN - HKG (CX)
These flights are around 18,000 miles. I do understand we need 2 partner airlines. So lets say i added in this sector
HKG - DEL - HKG (CX)
HK - DOH - MAN (QR)
MAN - LHR (BA)
LHR - MAN (BA)
MAN - HKG (CX)
Is this a valid routing? I assume around 20,000 miles so should be 165K in business. If valid route, question is can i call and give them the existing reservations and ask them to change it to a multi carrier award???
Would this be a valid routing?
HKG - DEL - HKG (CX)
HK - DOH - MAN (QR)
MAN - LHR (BA)
LHR - MAN (BA)
MAN - HKG (CX)
HKG - JFK - HKG (QA or CX)
Thanks in advance.
I have a couple of round trips and one ways already ticketed.
HKG - DEL - HKG (CX)
HK - DOH - MAN (QR)
MAN - HKG (CX)
These flights are around 18,000 miles. I do understand we need 2 partner airlines. So lets say i added in this sector
HKG - DEL - HKG (CX)
HK - DOH - MAN (QR)
MAN - LHR (BA)
LHR - MAN (BA)
MAN - HKG (CX)
Is this a valid routing? I assume around 20,000 miles so should be 165K in business. If valid route, question is can i call and give them the existing reservations and ask them to change it to a multi carrier award???
Would this be a valid routing?
HKG - DEL - HKG (CX)
HK - DOH - MAN (QR)
MAN - LHR (BA)
LHR - MAN (BA)
MAN - HKG (CX)
HKG - JFK - HKG (QA or CX)
Thanks in advance.
Btw, there's no airline with QA code.
#738
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 177
You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits, and 2 openjaws which you should be able to fit into that itinerary. However since you already ticketed some of the routes, I'm not sure if they will allow you to combine. I'll assume they will ask you to cancel your existing tickets and create a new one based on the Multi Carrier award.
Btw, there's no airline with QA code.
Btw, there's no airline with QA code.
If i want to go MAN - BRU the only route is MAN-LHR-BRU on BA, is the LHR then classified as transit? How many times can i return to the point of origin..is there a limit?
Is it possible to make changes to the multi awards? if yes at what cost and till what point? Thanks
Sorry once again for the questions.
Last edited by rocket69; Sep 12, 2018 at 1:30 am
#739
Join Date: May 2012
Location: SIN
Programs: JL GC | Marriott LT Silver | Global Entry | SQ Silver
Posts: 6,819
I'm not really sure, you might want to read the cancellation or change rules on the Asia Miles website.
#740
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 177
Just to reconfirm
HKG - DEL (CX) - 1 STOPOVER
DEL - HKG (CX) - 2 STOPOVER
HK - DOH - MAN (QR) - 1 TRANSIT AND 3 STOPOVER ???
MAN - LHR (BA) - 4 STOPOVER
LHR - MAN (BA) - 5 STOPOVER
MAN - HKG (CX) - 6 STOPOVER
HKG - DOH - JFK (QR)- 2 TRANSIT AND 7 STOPOVER
JFK - DOH - HKG (QR) - 3 TRANSIT.
Do i have this correct how stopover and transit work???
#741
Join Date: May 2012
Location: SIN
Programs: JL GC | Marriott LT Silver | Global Entry | SQ Silver
Posts: 6,819
Thanks. I guess cancellation and change is allowed before you start the journey for a fee to what i understood from the Asia Miles website.
Just to reconfirm
HKG - DEL (CX) - 1 STOPOVER
DEL - HKG (CX) - 2 STOPOVER
HK - DOH - MAN (QR) - 1 TRANSIT AND 3 STOPOVER ???
MAN - LHR (BA) - 4 STOPOVER
LHR - MAN (BA) - 5 STOPOVER
MAN - HKG (CX) - 6 STOPOVER
HKG - DOH - JFK (QR)- 2 TRANSIT AND 7 STOPOVER
JFK - DOH - HKG (QR) - 3 TRANSIT.
Do i have this correct how stopover and transit work???
Just to reconfirm
HKG - DEL (CX) - 1 STOPOVER
DEL - HKG (CX) - 2 STOPOVER
HK - DOH - MAN (QR) - 1 TRANSIT AND 3 STOPOVER ???
MAN - LHR (BA) - 4 STOPOVER
LHR - MAN (BA) - 5 STOPOVER
MAN - HKG (CX) - 6 STOPOVER
HKG - DOH - JFK (QR)- 2 TRANSIT AND 7 STOPOVER
JFK - DOH - HKG (QR) - 3 TRANSIT.
Do i have this correct how stopover and transit work???
HKG-oDEL-oHKG-xDOH-oMAN-oLHR-oMAN-oHKG-xDOH-oJFK-xDOH-HKG
#744
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 35
HKG - DEL (CX) - 1 STOPOVER
DEL - HKG (CX) - 2 STOPOVER
HKG - DOH - MAN (QR) - 1 TRANSIT AND 1 OPENJAW (pay for travel between London & Manchester yourself)
LHR - MAN (BA) - 3 STOPOVER
MAN - HKG (CX) - 4 STOPOVER
HKG - DOH - JFK (QR)- 2 TRANSIT AND 5 STOPOVER
JFK - DOH - HKG (QR) - Not valid as exceeded maximum stopover/transit limit. Use direct CX flight or use openjaw and leave from another city.
#745
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 177
Yes, However you can make slight modification to make it valid.
HKG - DEL (CX) - 1 STOPOVER
DEL - HKG (CX) - 2 STOPOVER
HKG - DOH - MAN (QR) - 1 TRANSIT AND 1 OPENJAW (pay for travel between London & Manchester yourself)
LHR - MAN (BA) - 3 STOPOVER
MAN - HKG (CX) - 4 STOPOVER
HKG - DOH - JFK (QR)- 2 TRANSIT AND 5 STOPOVER
JFK - DOH - HKG (QR) - Not valid as exceeded maximum stopover/transit limit. Use direct CX flight or use openjaw and leave from another city.
HKG - DEL (CX) - 1 STOPOVER
DEL - HKG (CX) - 2 STOPOVER
HKG - DOH - MAN (QR) - 1 TRANSIT AND 1 OPENJAW (pay for travel between London & Manchester yourself)
LHR - MAN (BA) - 3 STOPOVER
MAN - HKG (CX) - 4 STOPOVER
HKG - DOH - JFK (QR)- 2 TRANSIT AND 5 STOPOVER
JFK - DOH - HKG (QR) - Not valid as exceeded maximum stopover/transit limit. Use direct CX flight or use openjaw and leave from another city.
HKG - DEL (CX) - 1 STOPOVER
DEL - HKG (CX) - 2 STOPOVER
HKG - DOH - MAN (QR) - 1 TRANSIT AND 1 OPENJAW (pay for travel between London & Manchester yourself)
LHR - MAN (BA) - 3 STOPOVER
MAN - HKG (CX) - 4 STOPOVER
HKG - DOH - JFK (QR)- 2 TRANSIT AND 5 STOPOVER
YVR - HKG (CX) - 2 OPENJAW.
#746
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: CX Diamond / SQ Gold / Bonvoy Platinum / Hyatt Globalist / Hilton Gold
Posts: 1,098
Looks valid to me. The JFK in the end is not a stopover - it's an open jaw.
The final flight is valid too, but it doesn't count as a stopover/openjaw. It's just the final flight back to the origin.
The final flight is valid too, but it doesn't count as a stopover/openjaw. It's just the final flight back to the origin.
#747
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 177
HKG - DEL (CX) - 1 STOPOVER
DEL - HKG (CX) - 2 STOPOVER
HKG - DOH - MAN (QR) - 1 TRANSIT AND 1 OPENJAW (pay for travel between London & Manchester yourself)
LHR - MAN (BA) - 3 STOPOVER
MAN - HKG (CX) - 4 STOPOVER
HKG - DOH - JFK (QR)- 2 OPENJAW
YUL - DOH (QR) - 5 STOPOVER
DOH - HKG (QR) - RETURN TO ORIGIN